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Old 14th November 2012, 04:48 AM   #72178  /  #576
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Old 14th November 2012, 05:11 AM   #72179  /  #577
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Old 14th November 2012, 06:34 PM   #72208  /  #578
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Old 14th November 2012, 06:55 PM   #72209  /  #579
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Old 15th November 2012, 04:21 AM   #72221  /  #580
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Old 15th November 2012, 05:05 AM   #72222  /  #581
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Old 15th November 2012, 06:48 AM   #72224  /  #582
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Old 15th November 2012, 07:15 AM   #72227  /  #583
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Old 15th November 2012, 12:16 PM   #72233  /  #584
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Old 15th November 2012, 01:27 PM   #72238  /  #585
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Old 16th November 2012, 07:41 PM   #72310  /  #586
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Old 17th November 2012, 05:42 PM   #72324  /  #587
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Old 18th November 2012, 03:11 AM   #72329  /  #589
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Old 19th November 2012, 12:08 AM   #72335  /  #590
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Old 19th November 2012, 11:32 AM   #72340  /  #591
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Old 19th November 2012, 04:59 PM   #72343  /  #592
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Old 19th November 2012, 09:27 PM   #72346  /  #593
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They're why we can't have nice things. Like 90 hour weeks and unpaid days off.
Unions are inefficient leeches performing a task in a system that is already in place.

If you don't get payed enough, you leave for a better job. A company cannot function without experienced workers. Experienced and productive workers can demand a higher wage.

No one gets a paid day off. No one. A company WILL keep these things in mind for the budget. If anything, those paid vacations are the company giving you back the money you have already earned that it has been holding onto in an account earning IT extra dollars and not YOU extra dollars.

If Hostess could not or would not afford to pay it's workers to a certain degree, it is certain that jobs would be lost.

So yeah. lol unions
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Old 19th November 2012, 10:06 PM   #72347  /  #594
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They're why we can't have nice things. Like 90 hour weeks and unpaid days off.
Unions are inefficient leeches performing a task in a system that is already in place.

If you don't get payed enough, you leave for a better job. A company cannot function without experienced workers. Experienced and productive workers can demand a higher wage.

No one gets a paid day off. No one. A company WILL keep these things in mind for the budget. If anything, those paid vacations are the company giving you back the money you have already earned that it has been holding onto in an account earning IT extra dollars and not YOU extra dollars.

If Hostess could not or would not afford to pay it's workers to a certain degree, it is certain that jobs would be lost.

So yeah. lol unions
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you blaming the unions for Hostess shutting down? Or are you saying that they aren't necessary because what they fought for is now enshrined in law?
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Old 19th November 2012, 10:47 PM   #72350  /  #595
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Old 19th November 2012, 11:21 PM   #72351  /  #596
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Old 20th November 2012, 02:04 AM   #72352  /  #597
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Old 20th November 2012, 04:23 AM   #72359  /  #598
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Old 20th November 2012, 06:14 AM   #72363  /  #599
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Old 20th November 2012, 06:55 AM   #72365  /  #600
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They're why we can't have nice things. Like 90 hour weeks and unpaid days off.
Unions are inefficient leeches performing a task in a system that is already in place.

If you don't get payed enough, you leave for a better job. A company cannot function without experienced workers. Experienced and productive workers can demand a higher wage.

No one gets a paid day off. No one. A company WILL keep these things in mind for the budget. If anything, those paid vacations are the company giving you back the money you have already earned that it has been holding onto in an account earning IT extra dollars and not YOU extra dollars.

If Hostess could not or would not afford to pay it's workers to a certain degree, it is certain that jobs would be lost.

So yeah. lol unions
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you blaming the unions for Hostess shutting down? Or are you saying that they aren't necessary because what they fought for is now enshrined in law?
Well, yes to both, to a degree, though I would not fully blame a union for shutting Hostess down. I don't know the whole story.

Basically, the only power a union has is the threat to shut a place down. It's the only thing they can wave over the heads of whatever company in question. If the owner is not getting what he or she wants out of the operation, it is easy for that person to shut it down. Striking a balance of what the workers want and what the owners want is ideal. The workers want work and the owners want money and business. Unions can only try to strong-arm the system for workers, while getting paid by the workers to do what would happen naturally, anyway, but instead sapping money away from the workers and threatening their jobs. Now, with this union-Hostess business, everyone has lost, and the people in the best position to move on are the former owners, not the workers.

If an organization wants to better working conditions for everyone, what they SHOULD do is help find ever better jobs for people so that companies have to sweeten the deal to get and keep the better workers.
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