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Old 29th April 2017, 09:21 AM   #397438  /  #1
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New DNA evidence on "Celtic"







It is very interesting that the Irish mythology of invasions may be correct.

DNA studies of European Hunter Gathers pre 10k years ago prior to the agricultural "invasion" shows they were very dark skinned and had blue eyes....
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Old 3rd May 2017, 05:34 AM   #397885  /  #2
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one of my friends did the DNA test, and it was concluded that he was 7% neanderthal. He is Greek.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 05:37 AM   #397888  /  #3
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Old 3rd May 2017, 11:15 PM   #398087  /  #4
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Would not surprise me one bit that there is some truth in the Celtic myths, particularly that of the Irish.
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Old 4th May 2017, 01:59 AM   #398107  /  #5
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Why 'particularly that of the Irish'?
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Old 4th May 2017, 03:06 AM   #398117  /  #6
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That they exist. They are mythical. I'm not even sure Ireland is real.
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Old 4th May 2017, 03:42 AM   #398122  /  #7
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"Ireland" was invented by American revolutionaries bent on making up ways to hate the Brits.

If it were a real place, I'm sure the designers of the Diplomacy boardgame would have made it a playable territory, instead of just something decorative.
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Old 4th May 2017, 03:57 AM   #398123  /  #8
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Old 4th May 2017, 07:40 AM   #398144  /  #9
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Zel brought up the Irish in particular


Though yes I am part Irish, but also part Scots and part Welsh.
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Old 4th May 2017, 08:30 AM   #398151  /  #10
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Old 4th May 2017, 01:38 PM   #398161  /  #11
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Old 4th May 2017, 06:16 PM   #398190  /  #13
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Old 5th May 2017, 07:34 AM   #398313  /  #15
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rach, this is a drawing, right?
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Old 5th May 2017, 10:24 PM   #398350  /  #16
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Old 5th May 2017, 10:25 PM   #398352  /  #17
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Old 6th May 2017, 04:48 PM   #398442  /  #18
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For those of you who don't know your Irish mythology, the Irish sagas tell of multiple "invasions" of Ireland.

https://www.celtic-weddingrings.com/...mythology.aspx

Although the myths have been Christianized, with the various people's being given relationships to Noah and fitted into the history of the flood and the Ark, and a bit garbled, DNA evidence is showing that there may be some truth behind the myths.

DNA from the earliest European hunter gatherers show them to be very dark skinned people with blue eyes. There was a skeleton found in Ireland with this DNA.

The second wave of DNA found in Europe was the agriculturalists, and Sardinia today contains many people with very large proportions of this DNA. The famous frozen corpse, Otzi, is a representative of this population. This DNA has also been found in Ireland.

The last wave of European invaders, which seem closely related to the Corded Ware people, and the Yamna culture, were very recent, about 4000 years ago. This wave was a replacement wave in much of central and northern Europe, and since skeletons from this time seem to have a variety of Plague, it is theorized that the influx from the Steppes brought plague and a population crash.

The Irish mythology speaks of a migration of Milesians, and DNA shows that the Irish are closely related to the people of the Basque region of Spain.

There is no proof that the idea of Celtic, which arose from linguistic studies has any legs whatsoever. Although Scottish, Welsh and Irish are Celtic languages, it is though that they originated with the Yamnaya invasion, which brought all the Proto Indo European Languages to Europe, where they evolved pretty much independently, instead of an invasion from Central Europe circa 500 bc.

https://owlcation.com/stem/Irish-Blood-Genetic-Identity
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Old 6th May 2017, 06:46 PM   #398463  /  #19
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Well those were from Gaul which was Celtic tribes called Gauls by Rome, which is why the Breton of Brittany (part of Northern France), Irish, Scottish, and Welsh are all fairly similar languages. But yes that was the last wave, and they got the date wrong and the place wrong.

Of course then there were the Vikings but they primarily settled in Dublin and a few other towns you could call them a mini wave.
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Old 6th May 2017, 09:24 PM   #398476  /  #22
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Well those were from Gaul which was Celtic tribes called Gauls by Rome, which is why the Breton of Brittany (part of Northern France), Irish, Scottish, and Welsh are all fairly similar languages. But yes that was the last wave, and they got the date wrong and the place wrong.

Of course then there were the Vikings but they primarily settled in Dublin and a few other towns you could call them a mini wave.

Forget about the Romans. That was already too late. We are talking about 2000 B.C. and earlier. Between 4800 and 4000 years ago is when the Yamnaya bearing DNA peoples started moving into Europe, which ties in with the archeology of the CordedWare peoples. They hit Ireland late, about 4000 years ago.

The Romans called them Keltoi. Later linguists noted the similarity in languages and thought that the language had moved with the people, late around 500 B.C, which is why they called them all Celts.

DNA is showing that isn't so. Instead, around 2000 B.C. a massive migration possibly carrying plague that killed off a shitton of people happened, and all the "Celtic" languages grew up from the language those people carried with them.


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Why are we discussing a culture that has been repeatedly conquered?
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