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Old 15th January 2019, 10:40 PM   #442967  /  #51
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Cellulitis is very painful and nasty I have never heard someone go in multiple times for shots though usually they give you oral antibiotics and in the hospital they will give IV antibiotics.
Yeah, his looks similar, but it's huge. I hope he can get on top of it.
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Old 15th January 2019, 10:52 PM   #442972  /  #52
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Salicylic acid, which is what you can extract from willow bark, does not have analgesic properties, i.e. despite what all the Ayla books would have you believe, it isn't helpful for headaches and pain relief, unless chemically reacted with acetic acid to produce aspirin.
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Old 16th January 2019, 01:17 AM   #443025  /  #53
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Old 16th January 2019, 01:48 AM   #443032  /  #54
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Salicylic acid, which is what you can extract from willow bark, does not have analgesic properties, i.e. despite what all the Ayla books would have you believe, it isn't helpful for headaches and pain relief, unless chemically reacted with acetic acid to produce aspirin.
Well.

Salicin is the extract.

I haven't read the Ayla books, however:

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Hippocrates, Galen, Pliny the Elder and others knew that willow bark could ease pain and reduce fevers.[23] It was used in Europe and China to treat these conditions.[24] This remedy is mentioned in texts from ancient Egypt, Sumer and Assyria.[25] The Cherokee and other Native Americans used an infusion of the bark for fever and other medicinal purposes.[26]

In 2014, archaeologists identified traces of salicylic acid on 7th century pottery fragments found in east central Colorado.[27] The Reverend Edward Stone, a vicar from Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, England, noted in 1763 that the bark of the willow was effective in reducing a fever.[28]

The active extract of the bark, called salicin, after the Latin name for the white willow (Salix alba), was isolated and named by the German chemist Johann Andreas Buchner in 1828.[29] A larger amount of the substance was isolated in 1829 by Henri Leroux, a French pharmacist.[30] Raffaele Piria, an Italian chemist, was able to convert the substance into a sugar and a second component, which on oxidation becomes salicylic acid

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So it's been used in a lot of places for a long time.

I would guess that the reduction of fever and inflammation often also relieves pain.
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Old 16th January 2019, 02:00 AM   #443037  /  #55
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People get drunk on wood grain alcohol, too. They eventually die because of it.
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Old 16th January 2019, 02:09 AM   #443038  /  #56
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Not sure that's a good comparison, Mondo.
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Old 16th January 2019, 04:09 AM   #443055  /  #57
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Salicylic acid, which is what you can extract from willow bark, does not have analgesic properties, i.e. despite what all the Ayla books would have you believe, it isn't helpful for headaches and pain relief, unless chemically reacted with acetic acid to produce aspirin.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21226125


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Old 16th January 2019, 06:18 PM   #443143  /  #58
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I am sleeping all the time, sick as a dog, and miserable. and a doc can't do a damn thing because it is a respiratory virus

If this goes into bronchitis then it is more antibiotics whoop whoop.

Current symptoms include coughing constantly to the point where my diaphragm, ribs, and lungs hurt, severe sinus headache and greeny yellow snot in bucket loads to blow out, my throat feels like someone is ramming a red hot poker down it, and I have a low grade fever on and off.

Missed my counseling appointment and have to reschedule that one, plus of course rescheduled getting my new hearing aid to next week. And I am getting blamed by Marty and Jon for things I did not do of course because ahem I was asleep so how the hell could I have done what you said I have done WTF. Ate some Ramen cup of soup last night and I am starving but have no energy to cook or do much of anything.


Someone shoot me now and put me out of my misery
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Old 16th January 2019, 06:26 PM   #443144  /  #59
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I am getting blamed by Marty and Jon for things I did not do of course because ahem I was asleep so how the hell could I have done what you said I have done WTF.
You could have been sleepwalking, and did stuff from your subconscious.

No need to worry though, it still wasn't you. My guess is that unless Marty and Jon were beaten to shit, your subconscious is safely in check.

My buddy with the leg trouble has been admitted, and will be in the hospital at least a week. I'm going to bring him lunch today, and some movies.

Fuck I hope he is ok. One of the best men I know.
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Old 16th January 2019, 06:35 PM   #443146  /  #60
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and healing energy for your buddy

They will take good care of him in the hospital and Vancomyacin is amazing stuffs. Plus they give you the best drugs in the hospital for the pain, then they send you home and say take ibuprofen even if you have been on Ibuprofen for like years at the 800 mg which is the top level It sucks dealing with cellulitis pain and not having enough pain meds
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Old 16th January 2019, 06:37 PM   #443147  /  #61
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They need to find a better way to deal with the actual addiction issues with opioids and NOT take it out on people who are not addicted and are going through chronic pain.
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Old 16th January 2019, 06:42 PM   #443148  /  #62
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I don't have the confidence you have, in hospitals.

I just hope he gets through this.

Myself, I won't take pain meds mostly. I just started with aspirin (well, advil) because I believe Zeluvia, but for pain, I generally use non-drug methods. They work as well as the drugs (which is to say - not very well) but have less of an effect on my liver.

Shits up my mood, but I hope to manage that. I don't know how to manage liver failure.
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Old 16th January 2019, 07:06 PM   #443151  /  #63
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Once I have enough money coming from my business to cover the cost, I will switch to something like medical cannibis or Kratom, but atm I am stuck with what I can get from my insurance. By the time I pay my rent (which includes utilities), my cell phone which is now at 30 bucks a month, and my storage unit in TN which is 95 a month, I have almost nothing left to spend from my disability check.
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Old 16th January 2019, 07:12 PM   #443152  /  #64
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Depending on your state, you could probably grow it now. No money either, just meet a medical grower, explain your situation, and tell them you would like a cutting, to grow on your windowsill.

It will probably get stolen, or die, or fail to produce, but it will provide a learning opportunity.

They are just plants, at one level.
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Old 16th January 2019, 08:05 PM   #443153  /  #65
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Not yet though it is pretty decriminalized here now, the only legal is medical which is only available at this time in vape form in NYS However our governor is making serious noises about putting all forms of pot including recreational as a bill he would sign to make it legal. Of course there is still the layer of the Feds and they do love to hit blue states like NY and CA. They are also seriously discussing (first in NYC as a start then state wide later) having a public option for health insurance for all not just those over 65. Will have to see on that it would be great for people like me working their way off of disability that is for sure.
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Old 16th January 2019, 08:47 PM   #443161  /  #66
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I don't have the confidence you have, in hospitals.

I just hope he gets through this.

Myself, I won't take pain meds mostly. I just started with aspirin (well, advil) because I believe Zeluvia, but for pain, I generally use non-drug methods. They work as well as the drugs (which is to say - not very well) but have less of an effect on my liver.

Shits up my mood, but I hope to manage that. I don't know how to manage liver failure.

Naprosyn rarely fucks up your liver, but Tylenol will kill it fast. Ibuprofen is not good for your liver in high doses. Opiates by themselves don't do much more to your liver than beer does. It's when they mix them with Tylenol that the liver damage kicks in.
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Old 16th January 2019, 10:36 PM   #443167  /  #67
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Rach you should call your insurance and ask if they have a web doctor service. A lot of them you can talk to a doctor over a video call and they can prescribe you what you need from home
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Old 16th January 2019, 10:50 PM   #443168  /  #68
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They just have a nurse thing who usually just says go see your doctor or go to the ER

My clinic also would say the same thing but there is no point until I know its not just a virus (as in gone into bronchitis) for a basic cold or similar respiratory virus they will say treat the symptoms with OTC medications, drink plenty of fluids, and get a lot of rest and in about a week you should be fine.
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Old 17th January 2019, 06:58 AM   #443201  /  #69
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Don't do ER do urgent care it's way cheaper
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Old 17th January 2019, 07:16 AM   #443205  /  #70
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I would have to find an urgent care that accepts Medicaid and find a way to have them call the transport for me because if I call, it has to be 3 days in advance, if they call and say it is urgent then I can get transport sooner. I won't go to the ER unless I am deathly sick, I would instead work out an apt with my clinic in a few days and then arrange the medical transport instead.

I know how expensive ER visits are because I saw the bills before TennCare retroactively paid for my ER visit and 13 day stay in the hospital when I had a bad cellulitis infection and my sodium was under 120 (Normal is 135-145)
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Old 18th January 2019, 01:44 AM   #443280  /  #71
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OMG people, vote in whoever advocates single payer health care. It ain't perfect, but when any of us get sick, all we worry about is that we're sick.
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Old 18th January 2019, 02:00 AM   #443284  /  #72
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rach, you need to tell Marty & Jon that they can go to hell! Picking on you, when you are sick, especially. These guys are the purest form of assholes.
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More than anything, rach needs a safe place to live.
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