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Old 12th January 2018, 12:01 AM   #417290  /  #5276
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Old 12th January 2018, 09:19 PM   #417317  /  #5277
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I'm about 25% in, general impression is that everyone around Trump thinks he's stupid and easy to manipulate.
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Old 12th January 2018, 09:25 PM   #417320  /  #5278
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Old 12th January 2018, 09:35 PM   #417323  /  #5279
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He isn't stupid, but he is ignorant of many many things and won't admit it or ask for more information. Instead of surrounding himself with intelligent people who know things, he prefers sycophants. He misses subtle things and just doesn't give a shit about others. He is difficult to manipulate because he turns on a dime. Characteristics of narcissism.

Despite campaigning as an outsider, he likes the good old boy networking as long as he is the top dog in the good old boy room. This is why he does much of his "work" on the golf course in small private meetings in a typical rich white male setting.

I think the presidency has been very stressful for him. I think he tried to conform a bit to expectations at first, felt betrayed, still feels betrayed, and now has gone full "fuck it".
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Old 12th January 2018, 09:55 PM   #417324  /  #5280
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Analysis or argument or PowerPoint did not work. But who said what to Trump and when often did. If, at Bannon's prodding, Rebekah Mercer called him, that had an effect. Priebus could count on Paul Ryan's clout with him. If Kushner set up Murdoch to call, that registered. At the same time, each successive call mostly cancelled the others out
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:11 PM   #417326  /  #5281
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Yes, you see that isn't stupidity, it's mistrust. My ex and my mother both exhibit narcissistic tendencies. It's not easy being a narcissist. Other people are a bit of mystery to you, so you divide them into two categories. Everyone is either for you or against you. And you don't really pay attention to small social clues, so much of the time you are clueless as to what is going on around you. You have limited empathy...you can empathize with something that has happened to you, but have difficulty imagining things in order to empathize with others. That's my opinion though, I don't have a degree in people.
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:18 PM   #417330  /  #5282
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being a person with a Personality Disorder, I wonder if all the autistic diagnoses these days are as much Personality Disorders as Autism. I believe the disassociation from other people is similar.

Although, in saying that, I can only guess that big difference is that With PD you crave the connection with others you can't establish whereas on the autism spectrum you don't want that association.
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:25 PM   #417333  /  #5283
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I'm very close to putting you two into the Democrat category.
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:27 PM   #417334  /  #5284
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I don't know TW, I think its still smoke and mirrors. The brain is a frontier we are just stepping on. I don't think autism is misdiagnosed personality disorders though.

Studies are finding unique wiring problems in autistic brains. Too many synapses, not enough synapses, synapses wired wrong in different places. I see autism as a wiring problem and personality disorders as a programming problem.

I know the computer to brain metaphor doesn't really hold up but it's the best I got!
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:29 PM   #417335  /  #5285
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It's... it's very debilitating... since Zeluvia lives in Texas and Timewve lives in Bizzaro Texas.
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:43 PM   #417336  /  #5286
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It's... it's very debilitating... since Zeluvia lives in Texas and Timewve lives in Bizzaro Texas.
Well spruce, on this f___ e_____ of ours they are not to far apart.
Nowhere near as far apart as the sane bernie, greedy corrupt hillary and your insane saviour donald duck.
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Old 12th January 2018, 11:20 PM   #417339  /  #5287
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You dupes are absorbing Wolff's falsehoods and distortions as truth? Ha!
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Old 12th January 2018, 11:28 PM   #417340  /  #5288
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I haven't even paid any attention to wolfe's stuff. It's like celebrity and sports "news". Sensationalism.

What I said was from my observations of the way Trump has acted and said himself and tweeted, and from even before he was president.
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Old 12th January 2018, 11:53 PM   #417341  /  #5289
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Mono still can't quite fathom that the empire he adores has no clothes
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Old 13th January 2018, 12:04 AM   #417342  /  #5290
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If you need an informed understanding of Trump communication, including his style,
watch Scott Adams periscope videos or read his blog. Scott is thorough in his analysis. Or don't.

hyperbole, the big offer, thinking past the sale, etc.

"Trump’s online missives make his supporters laugh and even his opponents think past the sale."

For those who think Trump racist, insane, stupid ... he won, you pathetic idiots, he won.
Perhaps many, many racist Americans voted for Trump. Big fucking deal.

There are so few white supremacists in America, but the media has won over
all idiots willing to believe our country is rampant with them. Fools.
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Old 13th January 2018, 12:33 AM   #417343  /  #5291
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Mondo, I am not going to watch Scott Adams. I don't need to watch someone else explain something to me I can see with my own eyes. It's the same reason I am not going to read Wolfe's book. I don't need to play around in echo chambers. In fact I avoid them on purpose.

Now about white supremacists. I sure have known a lot of them. Maybe I hang out with the wrong people, but I avoid them at all costs and STILL know a lot of them.

I was a little kid when the KKK burned a cross in our front yard in Alabama. My brother in law was a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. My own mother is prejudiced in an old fashioned "black people are all right but not living next door to me" way. She had a total freak out when black people moved next door to her. Now she brags about what great people they are and how good friends they have become. She is racist and tries hard not to be. Many white people in her generation are like that. They are uncomfortable and don't know what to do with their discomfort. To top that off xenophobia IMO is a NATURAL reaction. So unless you are acclimated to strangers, like people in urban areas, you tend to react with fear and distrust. And this has nothing to do with just skin color. Strange accents, different languages, ect can all trigger a xenophobic reaction. This is one reason I think that Urban areas vote more Democratic. Urban dwellers are used to being around people that look and talk and behave different, and they don't fear them.
At it's core, that is what racism is, fear.

But white supremacists take it a step further, they are afraid enough to feel they need to fight back. Even innocent appearing things like the Quiverfull movement are spawned by fear that "blue eyes will go extinct", or that "Islam is the fastest growing religion". Underneath, the motivation is fear and racism and a desire to keep things white.

So yeah, the numbers of card carrying white supremacists in the country might be low, but the number of people nursing closet racism or suffering from a xenophobia they can't control is not.
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Old 13th January 2018, 12:53 AM   #417344  /  #5292
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In discussing rascism, we can't forget that important context of culture in the argument.

I grew up with the white australian as a part of england culture.
I only ever knew one aboriginal and one jew until I don't know how old.

Italians and Greeks were as foreign and unknown as Chinese. All three owning fast food shops.

Now the White English Australian Culture I grew up with has changed a lot, but not in all areas and not for all Australians.

It is those Australian who don't want their culture changed by Moslems or Asians.
Are they wrong?
Is it so wrong not to want your culture to change?

Of course the same people buy all the cheap chinese junk because it is cheaper
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Old 13th January 2018, 12:57 AM   #417345  /  #5293
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Does being probed by an alien count?

I'm pretty sure that being probed by an alien give you a free pass and a get out of jail free card for zenophobia....


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I just hope you haven't been probing any of those girl guides sprucy!
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Old 13th January 2018, 01:29 AM   #417350  /  #5296
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LOL, the first 2 batches of Mormons loved me, but the last batch only stopped by once and I haven't seen hide nor hair of them since. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptists have been scarce.
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Old 13th January 2018, 01:36 AM   #417353  /  #5297
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LOL, the first 2 batches of Mormons loved me, but the last batch only stopped by once and I haven't seen hide nor hair of them since. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptists have been scarce.
Maybe we should hose you down more often spruce.
Have you been to the vet recently?
Had your teeth checked?
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You know there are things loveable in puppy's which in older dogs?
Not so much?
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Old 13th January 2018, 03:44 AM   #417360  /  #5299
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For those who think Trump racist, insane, stupid
I dont know or care whether Trump is any of those things, but its clear that the Trump voters are overwhelmingly like that.
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Does being probed by an alien count?

Was it like this?



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