Dumb British politics thread

[gib]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rexit-13592683

[gib]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rexit-13593027

[MSG]

try to keep up

[gib]

5 gone now i think

[MSG]

so I hear

[gib]

outcome will be kicking the can further down the road

[MSG]

[nostrum]

[Majiffy]

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[OmicronPersei8]

Originally Posted by nostrum

:ireallydontcaredoyou:

[nostrum]

but... gonzo

[Zeluvia]

So, I read some thing short about the problems with Brexit, and it appears that Northern Ireland is a big problem.



Now, back in 1600, King James I screwed the pooch in Northern Ireland, and to help solve his problem he repatriated some rebel Scottish Lords, and gave them land in Northern Ireland to hold for him cause he had pissed the Irish off so bad he had to kick their asses. My relatives waited till the hoopla settled down, then moved from Scotland to Ireland in about 1655. Well it wasn't all wine and roses, and the Irish were pissed off, but it didn't take that long for the Crown to piss everyone off again, and the Scots joined the Irish in giving it a big fat finger. After which my relatives quickly abandoned Northern Ireland for the States where they proceeded to continue to give the crown the finger. Obviously, you would be better off now if King James had just said fuck Ireland.

[MSG]

timely and insightful commentary itt

[Zeluvia]

Yes well the biggest sticking point in negotiations so far has been the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, who is staying in the EU. They don't want to make it a "hard border", because well they probably can't, but that means they can't do the customs and ID check thingy, so it will still be an Open Trade border, which kind of fuckels everything else up.



At least they don't want a WALL !!

[gib]

the problem is that england doesn't want to give up owning NI. If they just divorced NI and let it become its own state then it wouldn't be a problem.


But the DUP want to stay part of UK and they are the ones making up the numbers that give the current gov control of parliament


Not that any of this matters because there won't be a brexit.

[nostrum]

don't tease

[gib]

well May's current proposal would be a brexit and it is probably the compromise that pisses off the least number of voters



but that's not going to go through parliament because labour are far too interested in watching the government kill itself to back anything the tories suggest.



so the can will get kicked down the road

[Zeluvia]

Originally Posted by gib

the problem is that england doesn't want to give up owning NI. If they just divorced NI and let it become its own state then it wouldn't be a problem.


But the DUP want to stay part of UK and they are the ones making up the numbers that give the current gov control of parliament


Not that any of this matters because there won't be a brexit.

So you see my commentary was both timely and insightful and we can all blame Henry 8, Elizabeth 1 and James 1.

[gib]

yes. we tried not having kings and queens for a while to see if that would help but then cromwell went over there and made things even worse

[nostrum]

we have opinion pieces over here saying that the UK will dissolve

did you really want Scotland anyway

[SR71]

don't worry gib, help is on the way

[MSG]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018...on-for-britain

Instead of acknowledging this, May has just lied and lied and lied. She lied when she said we could make a success of Brexit. She lied when she said we could secure full market access while maintaining full sovereignty. She lied when she said she could get a trade deal before the end of Article 50. She lied when she said there would be no need for transition. She lied when she said it would not need to be extended. She lied when she said Britain might choose between either extension or the backstop. She's lying now when she says this is a good deal for Britain, or that any kind of economic or political success might follow from it, or that it is in the national interest. Her administration has been defined by a relentless attempt to conceal the reality of Brexit from public and parliament, so she can survive another day, another week, another month. It is such a shabby, tawdry spectacle.

And now here we are, staring at a deal so unimaginably bad that no-one wants it. Not the EU, not the UK, not Brexiters, not Remainers, not Tories, and not Labour.

No-one wants it and we're told to do it anyway. That is an insane proposition and it should be rejected.

[Majiffy]

Great now you guys are gonna get your nationalist fascist populist head of state next

[Brother Daniel]

May has just lied and lied and lied.

Sounds a lot like conservatives in every other country.

[Zeluvia]

Originally Posted by MSG

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018...on-for-britain

Divorces are hard. I wouldn't say she Lied, I would say this is a very fucked up complicated thing and what she thought she could do, she couldn't. It's like campaign promises, you promise anything you can but then the reality of what you can really do fucks that all up.


Like building walls.