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Old 29th August 2017, 02:09 AM   #410268  /  #126
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... and yes MZ, my claim was to put someone other than Charlou on the block, with my being lynched still a positive result.

It was a good or better option, as I knew if anyone examined it closely, it would be exposed.

The smart town play, not necessarily the right town play, was to lynch my claim, one way or the other.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:10 AM   #410269  /  #127
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Thank you, captain, for the game.
Thank you, everyone, for playing.
Well played town.
Bad luck scum.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:10 AM   #410270  /  #128
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That role will show up as "guilty" if investigated by a cop.
Wtf dude, have you ever run a game before?

It was already stacked and the traitor is guilty on a view???
That would be a spy not a traitor but if you look at Ms wiki it can be interpreted both ways.

I felt the brother mechanic evened it out since you could effectively remove 2 votes with one kill, if the double voter had been taken out as well this may have been different.

I also handicapped the tracker but scum did not play it the way I expected.

Truthfully I built this one to be more on theme than a hardcore fixed mafia game. you guys play completely different, I believe this game would have lasted several days longer with the crew I am used too.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:14 AM   #410271  /  #129
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I do appreciate your effort, again, I enjoyed the game, but rule number one in building a game is examining what happens if there is a mass out.

Even so, this was town favored two to one. It was not slightly unbalanced, it was extreme.

There should have been 3.5 dirty players, you only had 2.25 dirties.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:16 AM   #410272  /  #130
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:17 AM   #410273  /  #131
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you guys play completely different
There are extraordinarily players here.

Even the moron Op8 is better than the vast majority of players in the world.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:17 AM   #410274  /  #132
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Jerome did fine. Scum actually had less information about what was going on than PH. Thinking I could fake results was a critical error. Telling charlou to fall on her sword to try to save me was even worse. I blew this badly, and it's a testament to the other two that we did as well as we did.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:19 AM   #410275  /  #133
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:21 AM   #410276  /  #134
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Scum actually had less information about what was going on than PH.
I did advocate lynching him D1 btw...

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Old 29th August 2017, 02:23 AM   #410277  /  #135
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I do appreciate your effort, again, I enjoyed the game, but rule number one in building a game is examining what happens if there is a mass out.

Even so, this was town favored two to one. It was not slightly unbalanced, it was extreme.

There should have been 3.5 dirty players, you only had 2.25 dirties.
Thanks, I am in no way offended by the by the critique. I still disagree but perhaps the way you are used to playing I can understand how you would think that.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:23 AM   #410278  /  #136
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Grit, can you please join the confederacy and speak our language?
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:25 AM   #410279  /  #137
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Spruce wins the RP award and played the game perfectly.

He was also permitted to curse twice the whole game like the character in the films but I guess did not get a good opportunity.

Thanks spruce, did you use some kind of character generator?
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:27 AM   #410280  /  #138
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you guys play completely different
There are extraordinarily players here.

Even the moron Op8 is better than the vast majority of players in the world.
please dont confuse different with bad, I agree there are extraordinary players here.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:28 AM   #410281  /  #139
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I just knew scum had access to my interpretation board. For whatever reason andrew just got revealed a wee too soon. andrew and charlou both actually, and that was before all the claims that confirmed it. I forget who, I think it was borealis or MZ that turned the tide, and scum couldn't squiggle back.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:28 AM   #410282  /  #140
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I still disagree
You are wrong. The base balance, before adding specials, is the square root of the number of players equals the dirty players.

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but perhaps the way you are used to playing I can understand how you would think that.
I have played everywhere with all sorts of skill levels for over a decade. The game design is the game design. One does not design the game for the way particular players play, one designs the game for mafia/werewolf.

The players make the game play, the game is the game and all factions should, from the outset, regardless of player experience or skill level, have an equal opportunity to win.

The designer should not make the mistake of fitting the game to the players.

The game board is the game board.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:30 AM   #410283  /  #141
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Spruce wins the RP award and played the game perfectly.

He was also permitted to curse twice the whole game like the character in the films but I guess did not get a good opportunity.

Thanks spruce, did you use some kind of character generator?
LOL, you picked a player who doesn't curse. "Son of a motherless goat" was the best I could do.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:34 AM   #410284  /  #142
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I still disagree
You are wrong. The base balance, before adding specials, is the square root of the number of players equals the dirty players.

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but perhaps the way you are used to playing I can understand how you would think that.
I have played everywhere with all sorts of skill levels for over a decade. The game design is the game design. One does not design the game for the way particular players play, one designs the game for mafia/werewolf.

The players make the game play, the game is the game and all factions should, from the outset, regardless of player experience or skill level, have an equal opportunity to win.

The designer should not make the mistake of fitting the game to the players.

The game board is the game board.
now you are just being a dick, I have my opinions and so do you. Im quite certain I have played in many games you have not and vs versa.

We had a player who was used to playing the way you do and he had to rethink his entire game when playing with us just as I will if I am going to continue playing here. Im also not saying one way is better I wont know till I have played one of yours and even then its still opinion.

You guys are smart, the game was fun, leave it at that.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:39 AM   #410285  /  #143
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Again, the manner of playing is not relevant to the game board itself. You are confusing two separate thoughts.

The properly designed game can accommodate any player level from expert, to noob, to any combination thereof.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:41 AM   #410286  /  #144
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playing the way you do
lol, how do I play?
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:47 AM   #410287  /  #145
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MZ caught me straight up. Props. Concerning balance, giving pH the option between double voter and bus driver was harsh, plus having unique access to spruce. Too much power in one town's hands. Still a fun game to play though. And honestly, sometimes unbalanced games are the most fun. I mean who doesn't love being an SK?
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:51 AM   #410288  /  #146
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I think Jerome should go sign up at the SGU and read the Hard-boiled Mafia game there from a couple years back. There's a world of mafia that you don't know about.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:54 AM   #410289  /  #147
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Too much power in one town's hands.
Jerome said to lynch him D1.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:55 AM   #410290  /  #148
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there isn't anything jerome doesn't know
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Old 29th August 2017, 03:01 AM   #410291  /  #149
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Thanks cap, fun game.

I liked the format of requiring a majority but still having time limits. Town botched day 1, but came together on the other days.

Great job MZ for identifying scum.

Also good job Jerome for trying to draw the lynch. I would have been fine with either you or charlou today.
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Old 29th August 2017, 03:03 AM   #410292  /  #150
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playing the way you do
lol, how do I play?
you don't require majority votes, you kill the lead voted player at the end of the day, you don't use pressures, you don't attempt to first get an RC followed by PC, you vote all over the place rather than focus on one player at a time, your turns are average 1/7 of the playtime so votes are less decisive, the other games take months. Its a different game.

again im not knocking any of this, just saying its different.

I see Andrew thinks it was mechanically unbalanced too and he is used to playing where I am so I will accept the unbalanced label on the game but I still want to argue its degree.

I dont think it was "way" off. I think scum had a decent enough chance, imo they had the game won until a few mistakes were made.
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