Do you think Biden won the US election fairly (in 2020)

[Adenosine]

Jerome is a disenfranchising, wannabe aristocrat.

What a wanker. Thinks that people with substance abuse problems shouldn't be able to vote. So instead the "small business owner" gets to vote, and he votes for the authoritarian approach, thus further criminalizing the drug user, and complicating the person's life even further.

All because he lacks the empathy and intelligence to understand that substance abuse is more of a societal and health issue than a criminal one.

What a wanker.

Throw that other Muppet into the wanker category with their shared approach that pointing out racism is racist.

Pair of wankers.

What are you two fuckwits going to do when you succeed in burning MR to the ground? Where are you going to go? Parler? Why wait, fuck off there now.

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[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Adenosine

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Oh look, more vitriol anger and attempts at insult.

I'm sorry you are hurting.

Nice job on the device description. Best of your contribution this time!

I'll insist on not dividing people into racial groups when I'm deciding how to treat them. You might think it's classy as fuck to have a quota of minorities on display, but it makes it look like you value a persons skin colour over 'the content of their character'.

But Dr. King was probably a Republican, and you wouldn't have liked his general message.

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

If you want to weight power with performance, in other words give those that benefit society more power than those that don't, what mechanism do you use to do that?

I haven't heard of a better one than the one described in 'Starship Troopers' (voluntary, difficult and dangerous service earns citizenship) but I might not have heard them all.

The power does rest in the armed and trained individuals in actual fact. It's sensible to work with that, somehow or other.

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

I checked into Dominion machines, and they do produce a paper ballot that the voter can check and can be audited to verify the electronic results. The recount in Georgia did use the paper ballots and not the electronic records.

What did the recount yield? Tiny discrepancies, as per usual recounts?

If the systems are so good, allowing them to be audited and listening to the whistleblowers and such, should reveal one truth or another.

To me, it seems if the system is too complicated for easy understanding, that serves something other than democracy or transparency.

There are plenty of examples of sketchy stuff to throw shade on this election. Anyone denying it is doing so knowing they can't be believed by anyone who did see the questionable practices. It's why particular examples won't be discussed (though lots of different reasons might be given) in media or by vested individuals.

[Adenosine]

Hahaha

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[Zeluvia]

Does that system disenfranchise the physically handicapped? or do you make a way for them to serve too?


How do you keep it from turning into something like the Party in China?


How do you protect freedom of thought, if everyone goes through military training from a very long lived bureaucracy?


Which brings us to the power of institutions. Since human organizations outlive individual humans, they tend to amass power and influence also. This is everything from churches to corporations.

[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

Does that system disenfranchise the physically handicapped? or do you make a way for them to serve too?

In the book, anyone could serve, and it seems it was made shitty for everyone who did.

How do you keep it from turning into something like the Party in China?

Good voting/good luck.

How do you protect freedom of thought, if everyone goes through military training from a very long lived bureaucracy?

Same way you would in a world where education had overwhelming representation of left-wing professers/teachers/administrators.

Which brings us to the power of institutions. Since human organizations outlive individual humans, they tend to amass power and influence also. This is everything from churches to corporations.

Yup. Some of them terribly.

I think empowering individuals. I envision a better world, if everyone is armed and has a chance to learn what responsibilities that forces on them.

I guess because, at best, everyone IS armed, and deserves a chance to learn what responsibilities that forces onto them.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by Cunt

I haven't heard of a better one than the one described in 'Starship Troopers' (voluntary, difficult and dangerous service earns citizenship) but I might not have heard them all.

You do realise that franchise was satire, right?

[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Imp

You do realise that franchise was satire, right?

You must be talking about the movie. I remember reading that the director (producer?) wasn't all that serious.

I meant the book though, which was a 'boys book' by an old libertarian kook.

[Cunt]

For those who 'think' Biden won fairly, have a look at this bit of news...


Antrim, Michigan Forensics Report

(report linked, in case Ivan is a 'Russian Collusion' or something...

"Based on the preliminary results, we conclude
that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the
results are not certifiable..."

"... Because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan."

[felltoearth]

If they have all this overwhelming evidence why wouldn?t they take it to court instead of having unhinged individuals ?testify.?

Also Allied Security Operations Group sounds totally legit, only really they?re not. They?re paid shills for a misinformation campaign.

This really came as a surprise to me. No, really it did. I was shocked to find out.

"A review of Everylegalvote.com shows an attempt to delegitimize the election under a veneer of empiricism by drawing on murky and debunked theories. The site did not respond to a request for comment.

Everylegalvote.com lists its sponsors and financial backers as a coalition of right-wing groups including Allied Security Operations Group, the Economic War Room, and Liberty Center for God and Country."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/t...ud-claims.html

[felltoearth]

Only the best people. Lol

Judge orders release of report examining Antrim Co. vote tabulators

Ramsland, a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate who is identified in multiple media reports as an officer of ASOG, signed*an inaccurate affidavit in at least one court*case and gave flawed analyses of voter turnout in the Nov. 3 election. In one analysis, Ramsland confused voting districts in Minnesota with ones in Michigan.

[Cunt]

That's a lot of attacking a person, rather than their offered evidence.

You should get cardboard, and cover all the windows, so no-one can see you doing totally legal things.

[felltoearth]

Mentioning someone’s competence and credibility is not “attacking the person.”

[Cunt]

Originally Posted by felltoearth

Mentioning someone?s competence and credibility is not ?attacking the person.?

Has your position on US election integrity changed much since the 2016 'Russian Collusion Conspiracy Theory'?

[Adenosine]

Fuck me, you're shameless.

The first thing they do in a court case is establish the bona fides of the witness.

So getting your "informally" from Parler.

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[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Adenosine

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So proud of you for telling us about your device.

You must be rolling in the pussy.

[Adenosine]

You literally have nothing.

What are you going to do after you've burned MR to the ground?

How proud will you feel?

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[Jerome]

What I find most amusing is that most here would prefer Sanders over Clinton, and she defrauded Sanders out of the nomination .. tried against Trump too, but his vote total was too high, which is why this election fraud was soo absurd and overt.


So the Sanders supporters allow fraud even in their own party preference, excuse it away, ignore a whistle blower from within the party, that is shot murdered dead on the street, because the 'other' party is like really bad.


You people mock yourselves.


Anyways, I hear this guy is the new AG:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKow...ature=emb_logo
The Justice Department

Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen gave remarks on the threat of foreign malign influence operations and election security during a Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) event titled, ?Combatting Malign Influence in 2020.?

I doubt any of you will watch him speak. You all prefer sound bites from controlled media...its just too hard to pay attention longer than a few moments.


This actually goes back to the point that the ignorant and non-invested should not have the vote, and the only people that want the ignorant to vote are the ignorant themselves, and the oligarchy, as the ignorant are easily controlled and manipulated.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

If you want to weight power with performance, in other words give those that benefit society more power than those that don't, what mechanism do you use to do that?

The vote is not power. This is where you have been deceived. The vote is responsibility.


Would you give your 18 year old child an equal vote on the household spending? You would not, in most cases, because the typical 18 year old is neither invested nor responsible.



Giving the vote so freely leads us to where we are, a fascist oligarchy.

[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Adenosine

You literally have nothing.


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You sound like Andrew Klavan.

I would rather listen to the likes of John Solomon, Steven Crowder or Dan Bongino.

I mean if I was thinking about quality of information.

[Adenosine]

Dan "The Obama/Biden administration was the most corrupt in America's history" Bongino?

Dan "I heard things as a Secret Service agent that it was physically impossible for me to hear because I was nowhere near the inner circle" Bongino?

Fuck me.

Hold yourself to the same fucking standard that you demand from everyone else. Check your fucking sources.

Also, what the fuck are you going to do when you succeed in burning MR to the ground? Will you tug your champignon in victory, or will you feel a small amount of regret?

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[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Adenosine

Dan "The Obama/Biden administration was the most corrupt in America's history" Bongino?

Yeah, you SOUND just like Klavan.

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Except this part. This part was extremely well written. Full of clarity and relevant information.

[Adenosine]

Thanks for admitting that you will spread the lies you want to believe instead of looking into the source of them.

This entire thread is a Cunt Projection.

So fucking sad.

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[Cunt]

Originally Posted by Adenosine

So fucking sad.

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I know. I wish you had a healthier outlet than lashing out at strangers on the internet, but do what you need to.

[Adenosine]

What are you going to do after you burn MR to the ground?

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[ffejrxx]

move to texas and wait for texit?

how long will it take for drumph to run the country of texas into the ground?