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Old 12th March 2017, 10:43 PM   #387607  /  #51
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Not sure i understand your point. Are you saying it wasn't very democratic?
I'm saying it devolved into unfettered corporatism, and corporations were fine as long they understood who's boss. Hint: boss was not "the people".
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:45 PM   #387608  /  #52
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The American economy depends on immigrants because capitalism functions best through exploitation of labor. The ruling class target undocumented workers because it takes the blame of wealth disparity off the wealthy and puts it onto the poorest and most easily targeted (as they can not be referred to as "citizens" with rights without dispute). Also deportation opens up low wage jobs which is why the rich want to eliminate minimum wage so they can put the unemployed into those jobs and cut their taxes used for welfare.

So no. Undocumented immigrants are not criminals if they are otherwise law abiding. The attacks made against them are unjust and intended to cause division among the lower classes. The rich are talented at manipulation through fake populism.
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:46 PM   #387609  /  #53
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SR, at that period of time, liberalism meant what libertarian means today. Individual rights. Socialism, all forms of it, are the collective over the individual.

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Socialism meant communism in the context of your quote.

You have to take the word meanings when they were written, not what you have been propagandized with new current meanings.
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:47 PM   #387610  /  #54
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American righties maintain that corporations are people
No, the courts have ruled corporations are people as regards rights.
The righties on the court ruled it. Ergo it's a rightie thing.

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Old 12th March 2017, 10:49 PM   #387611  /  #55
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Undocumented immigrants are not criminals if they are otherwise law abiding.
If they are undocumented they are by definition committing a crime.

The system is set-up to create a third class citizen so that the fascist state in cooperation with big corp can take advantage of them.
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:51 PM   #387612  /  #56
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I don't equate breaking a law to being a criminal in the case of unjust systems of governance and oppression. The desire is only to shift who is doing the slave labor onto documented citizens.
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American righties maintain that corporations are people
No, the courts have ruled corporations are people as regards rights.
The righties on the court ruled it. Ergo it's a rightie thing.

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Old 12th March 2017, 10:52 PM   #387614  /  #58
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The righties on the court ruled it. Ergo it's a rightie thing.
It was about free speech.

I am assuming your argument is that no group of people can pull together their resources, create a company, and then have a right to speech through the company.

If not, please explain.
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Sometimes the law itself is criminal by nature.
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I don't equate breaking a law to being a criminal in the case of unjust systems of governance and oppression. The desire is only to shift who is doing the slave labor onto documented citizens.
I get what you are saying, that they shouldn't be considered criminals, that the laws are wrong, but under the law, they are criminals.
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Sometimes the law itself is criminal by nature.
These are basic civics.
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:55 PM   #387618  /  #62
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Fascist Prime himself said -

"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon, but when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State."

Republicans love to push the "right to work" laws which weaken unions. Unions are supported by liberals because they are the sole way to push back for labor.
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Sometimes the law itself is criminal by nature.
Jury nullification. Unfortunately this power is hidden from the people. If you start talking about jury nullification, which was purposefully built into the system to protect the people against unjust laws, you will be tossed off the jury.
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I mean how much more explicit can you get?
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SR, again, he is arguing against communistic principles, not against socialism.

The goal of the fascists was to not have the classes fighting against each other, it was to have the government regulate the classes such that everyone was happy. That is the argument between communism and fascism. Fascism proposed that a government corporate partnership would end the classes fighting.

It was against free market capitalism.
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In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;


see, he loved the unions
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opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon

as a class weapon

as a class weapon

as a class weapon
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You people seemed to have overlooked the important points that this is a Cunt thread and Jerome is posting in it
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In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;


see, he loved the unions
Sounded nice in a manifesto, which, as I have shown, he later contradicted in his Fascist Doctrine and certainly in practice.

The unions didn't love him back.
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On 3 June 1944, while Italy was still participating in World War II, Giuseppe Di Vittorio on behalf of Italian Communist Party (PCI), Achille Grandi on behalf of Christian Democracy and Emilio Canevari on behalf of PSI[3] signed the "Pact of Rome". As a consequence of this pact was established the "unite CGIL". The CGIL born from the pact had as objective to unify all the Italian workers under one flag independently from their political and religious views; it was the fruit of the cooperation among all the anti-fascist parties included in the National Liberation Committee. The three leading political movements, the communist, the socialist and the Catholic one were all under the same roof in the name of workers rights and anti-fascist fight.


Can it possibly be any clearer that "Gooseneck" Benito Mussilini was no friend of labor unions?
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I don't equate breaking a law to being a criminal in the case of unjust systems of governance and oppression. The desire is only to shift who is doing the slave labor onto documented citizens.
This.

I consider "crime" and "illegal" as inherently different.

A jaywalker isn't known in society as a jaywalker. It doesn't become their identity. They merely broke a law - did something illegal. No intent of malicious activity was involved in their action.

A murder is known in society as a murderer. It becomes their identity. They didn't just merely break a law - they acted maliciously against innocent individuals in society. They are criminals.


This is why no one says "criminal aliens". Only "illegal aliens". And why "criminal aliens" sounds inherently absurd... even alien.
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Fascist Italy had huge trade unions, they were a part of the organizational system.

They were against communist movements within trade unions. Duh, they were against communism...

Both systems were for control of the economy by the state for the greater good. Socialism at their core, both systems.
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In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;


see, he loved the unions
He loved them like Hitler loved 'em, right?

Hitler outlawed trade unions. How leftist is that?


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When Hitler came to power in January 1933, he saw trade unions as exercising more power over the workers than he could. Therefore, trade unions were seen as a challenge to be dispensed with. Hitler knew that he needed the workers to be on his side but he could not allow trade unions to exert the potential power they had. Therefore, trade unions were banned in Nazi Germany and the state took over the role of looking after the working class.

Just months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, he took the decision to end trade unions in Nazi Germany. On May 2nd, 1933, police units occupied all trade unions headquarters and union officials and leaders were arrested. The funds that belonged to the trade unions – effectively this was workers money – were confiscated.
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Check the date. 1933. So, one of his top priorities. Kill the unions. Ergo, not a socialist, communist, leftist, or any of that shit.
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