Dumbfuckistan Politics

[Carlsson]

so much rage zel

[Prince Humperdinck]

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

Fucking states rights making shit difficult. Fuck the States, it's time to get on the same page at least for Federal elections

I agree in the general election, but the primaries are run by the parties, not the government. If you don't like the way your party runs their nomination change parties or form your own. (Yeah, like that works since the two parties work together to stay in control).

[gib]

Originally Posted by Jerome

There are delegates chosen through the primaries, and delegates chosen beforehand by the party.

Delegates chosen through the primaries are picked by the candidates that won them.

Delegates chosen by the party are simply that, chosen by the national party.

Keep in mind, delegates can vote at the convention any way they choose, even if a delegate was won by Clinton in NH for example, and chosen by Clinton, that delegates can vote how ever they like at the convention.

Now the delegates chosen by the party (Democrats) make up something like 35% of the total delegates for the convention. Btw, Clinton has something like 90% of these 35% as it stands. So, Sanders would have to win every primary with something around 75% of the vote to make the convention competitive.

In simple terms, Clinton only needs to get 30% in the primaries to get the nomination.

She could literally lose 30% to 70% in every primary, and still win the nomination.

i saw this post on my britfag board this morning http://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forum...tml#msg2753477

[Majiffy]

Originally Posted by Prince Humperdinck

Actually each state has their own rules about how the delegates are assigned.

I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR THE MAN JESUS FUCK

[gib]

lol, it is completely fucking opaque to me

[Majiffy]

Fuck it man I got TV to catch up on I'm like 3 days back and there's another fucking debate tonight

[gib]

you're not keeping your eye on the prize

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by gib

lol, it is completely fucking opaque to me

Think it's like playing the bagpipes or something - you have to be born into it.

[Gonzo]

http://www.isidewith.com

[Zeluvia]

Originally Posted by Prince Humperdinck

I agree in the general election, but the primaries are run by the parties, not the government. If you don't like the way your party runs their nomination change parties or form your own. (Yeah, like that works since the two parties work together to stay in control).

You are absolutely right, and so was Carlsson.

I get in a rage whenever WTA is mentioned. That is because Texas has 38 Electoral votes, and yet it is over 2/5ths Democratic. It would probably be EVEN MORE Democratic if the Democrats in Texas even thought they had a hope in hell of swinging the Federal Election.

Big chunks of Texas are blue. Houston, and most of South Texas. If it weren't for excessive Gerrymandering, even more of Texas would be blue.

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/t...ed-6246509.php

[Carlsson]

celestial bliss my ass

[borealis]

She did decide not to go with that name in the end.

Probably right after an election.

[Zeluvia]

Celestial Bliss was back before Ronald Reagan and the "Moral Majority"

[Jerome]

Interesting Zeluvia, you seem to be against majority vote.

How would you change the system?

[Zeluvia]

Not my point. My point is that Majority vote is NOT what we are getting. Using Gerrymandering, and more recently Various Voter Restriction laws, one of our parties is attempting to undermine Majority Vote in a big way.

1. Use the shortest splitline algorithm to create districts in each state, thus doing away with Gerrymandering altogether. some states do impartial committee gerrymandering already.

2. Proportional Popular for electoral vote awarding.

3. Do away completely with Diebold, or require that the voting machine issue each voter a printed receipt of their votes.

[Jerome]

Gerrymandering is done by the elected Governor of the State every ten years, with the oversight of the Feds, following the mandate to increase the proportional value of the minority vote.

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.

[nostrum]

ETA shoot me, msg, I'm pre-coffee

[MSG]

I'm not

[gib]

Originally Posted by Zeluvia

Diebold

speak english, motherflipper

[Majiffy]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Gerrymandering is done by the elected Governor of the State every ten years, with the oversight of the Feds, following the mandate to increase the proportional value of the minority vote.

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.

So there's a major conspiracy behind the electoral college but you don't think there's corruption in designating constituency areas for re-election of elected officials by elected officials


Just try and digest that for a minute.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by gib

speak english, motherflipper

After the consternation counting paper ballots in Florida, giving the election to Bush over Gore, the Democrats demanded computer balloting (Diebold).

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Majiffy

So there's a major conspiracy behind the electoral college but you don't think there's corruption in designating constituency areas for re-election of elected officials by elected officials

There is no conspiracy with the electoral college, its very open how it works, just some don't like the design.

Of course gerrymandering is used to manipulate political power, in fact it is mandated by the Federal government that it does give larger weight to minority populations.

[Zeluvia]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Gerrymandering is done by the elected Governor of the State every ten years, with the oversight of the Feds, following the mandate to increase the proportional value of the minority vote.

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.

Okay, now I know you are clueless. Every state does it differently. Although it is done after the most recent full census, when the allocation of representatives is calculated.

And it is not done to increase the power of the minority vote, although it can be challenged on that basis.

[Hermit]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.

Oh NOOOOOOO! You know what you'd get if you make every vote equal in value, don't you? You'd get democracy!

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hermit

Oh NOOOOOOO! You know what you'd get if you make every vote equal in value, don't you? You'd get democracy!

I witnessed the creation of that image file on FF back in the day.