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Old 30th May 2012, 06:12 AM   #46194  /  #51
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borealis have you tried raised beds? I find that the soil starts to turn to clay after a year or two, and I have to amend and till and shit every year, but it is easier than trying to dig up the ground and amend pure clay.

raised beds won't help with the need to move tender plants around, though. I envy your super-long days, but am not willing to trade my earlier springs!
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Old 30th May 2012, 06:23 AM   #46195  /  #52
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can i ask you guys a question -- how, after planting seeds into soil, does one after a bit of time 'work' manure/compost into the soil?
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Old 30th May 2012, 06:27 AM   #46197  /  #53
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My flower beds are slightly raised beds, so I can get the soil 10 to 14 inches deep. The cost of soil here is a bit prohibitive as well.

In July I expect to spend a week and several weekends, August weekends as well, helping my friend with her massive gardens. Already did a bunch of planting and transplant moving with her. July is when the major insect attacks come, and she doesn't use poisons, so horrors like potato bugs and broccoli worms get hand-picked.

At the end of the season she'll have massive amounts of vegetables, I'll get plenty of them, plus I may be able to be around when she does preserving this year.

She is a pretty awesome woman, and her gardens show it.

When we retire, we intend to build very near her and her husband, and we'll just expand her gardens slightly and both of us can take care of them.

The husbands aren't aware of how much planning she and I have done for their future.
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Old 30th May 2012, 06:28 AM   #46198  /  #54
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can i ask you guys a question -- how, after planting seeds into soil, does one after a bit of time 'work' manure/compost into the soil?
You need to wait until the seeds are strong little plants or do that before you plant.
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Old 30th May 2012, 06:35 AM   #46199  /  #55
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can i ask you guys a question -- how, after planting seeds into soil, does one after a bit of time 'work' manure/compost into the soil?
You need to wait until the seeds are strong little plants or do that before you plant.
thanks bor.


also hehe at "potato bug horrors"
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Old 30th May 2012, 06:50 AM   #46200  /  #56
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I hate those little bastards, and I like more insects than most people do. Probably because if there's one, there are hundreds waiting to be picked off and killed.
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Old 30th May 2012, 07:19 AM   #46201  /  #57
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I hate those little bastards, and I like more insects than most people do. Probably because if there's one, there are hundreds waiting to be picked off and killed.
maybe in Jerome's game, The Potato Bug should be the Don.

Seriously though, i saw 2 already rolling around in my pot of dill earlier today, didn't think much of it but they were promptly removed.
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Old 30th May 2012, 07:58 AM   #46205  /  #58
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Just to be sure we're talking about the same bug, and I should be saying beetle:

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Old 30th May 2012, 10:03 PM   #46251  /  #59
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mantis what was growing in the ground beforehand?
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Old 31st May 2012, 02:33 AM   #46259  /  #60
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Just to be sure we're talking about the same bug, and I should be saying beetle:

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Ah yes, i was thinking of something like this

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Old 31st May 2012, 02:36 AM   #46260  /  #61
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mantis what was growing in the ground beforehand?
with the garden bed, there was just some small roots underneath (branching out from trees (maple)). Just beside it, there is a garden of ferns, which are pretty huge for ferns and they're doing pretty well. So i thought the soil must be pretty good. Turns out it is actually half soil-half sand.

eta - what makes u ask?
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:36 AM   #46270  /  #62
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We call those sowbugs. They're mostly harmless, but sometimes chew seedlings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse
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Old 31st May 2012, 03:55 AM   #46274  /  #63
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In the South, we called them roly polys. In this part of California they're mostly referred to as pill bugs. Though my kids faithfully call them roly polys because I raised them right.
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Old 31st May 2012, 04:09 AM   #46276  /  #64
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In Nfld they call them boatbuilders. And my dad called them pill bugs but everyone else in the family called them sow bugs.

Good to see you raised those boys right.
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Old 31st May 2012, 11:48 AM   #46307  /  #65
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mantis what was growing in the ground beforehand?
with the garden bed, there was just some small roots underneath (branching out from trees (maple)). Just beside it, there is a garden of ferns, which are pretty huge for ferns and they're doing pretty well. So i thought the soil must be pretty good. Turns out it is actually half soil-half sand.

eta - what makes u ask?
because if nothing had been growing in it for a few years it would probably be pretty fertile but i guess the trees will have sucked any goodness out of the topsoil by now
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Old 1st June 2012, 03:01 AM   #46401  /  #66
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mantis what was growing in the ground beforehand?
with the garden bed, there was just some small roots underneath (branching out from trees (maple)). Just beside it, there is a garden of ferns, which are pretty huge for ferns and they're doing pretty well. So i thought the soil must be pretty good. Turns out it is actually half soil-half sand.

eta - what makes u ask?
because if nothing had been growing in it for a few years it would probably be pretty fertile but i guess the trees will have sucked any goodness out of the topsoil by now
that could very well be. i'm calling this year of gardening just an experimental phase... just go with a bunch of things, and see what happens.

but in good news - about 20 of my radishes have just sprouted!! i checked the package this morning, and they look to be bound to sprout earlier than the others. there has been 2 bean sproutings, but no carrots or basil yet.
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Old 1st June 2012, 04:26 AM   #46413  /  #67
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Though my kids faithfully call them roly polys because I raised them right.
You've done well.
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Old 1st June 2012, 11:28 AM   #46452  /  #68
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your carrots will take a couple of weeks to come up depending on temperature. You'll probably find you sowed them too densely so you'll need to mercilessly thin the lines at some point. If there are gaps then put a few more seeds in.

btw in my experience you can pretty much sow carrots all year round
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Old 1st June 2012, 11:38 AM   #46453  /  #69
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i'm growing:

mini cucumbers
strawberries
peas
runner beans
halloween pumpkins
courgette/zuchini
little gem lettuces
spring onions (salad onions/scallions)
carrots
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Old 1st June 2012, 07:48 PM   #46488  /  #70
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nice gib! i didn't realize you were a gardener!

Yes, the lady in the garden center mentioned the thinning of carrots specifically. I didn't quite understand what she meant at first, but thanks to ob/borealis, i've got a handle on it now. (i'd rather learn from you guys than reading articles on the net, for some reason).

She mentioned that at the time of thinning, essentially you'll end up with mini carrots, and then when leaving the rest - you'll get the full carrots.

i was a bit nervous at first that there might not have been enough sun for them. but, good to hear that they do well all year round, so i guess they can withstand some shade. Also, judging by the package, they do take a little longer to germinate.

I sowed them about 2 inches apart, so we'll see. i suppose the seeds could have shifted and floated around though.
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Old 1st June 2012, 07:58 PM   #46490  /  #71
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Carrot seeds are so teensy people usually just run a couple fingers through the soil from one end to the other, then try to sprinkle thinly all along the resulting mini-trench. Then at thinning time we leave enough room between them to make carrots.
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Old 1st June 2012, 08:02 PM   #46492  /  #72
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see that makes sense. Just to be sure that some will take (i guess with expectations that a lot of them won't). And plus, mini carrots are tasty in salads.

I just used a screwdriver to make little holes and dropped each individual seed in.
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Old 1st June 2012, 08:07 PM   #46493  /  #73
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wow precision carrot seed planting!

an old tip is to dilute the seed with fine sand so when you sprinkle them into the trench they aren't so close together but hey
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Old 1st June 2012, 08:10 PM   #46496  /  #74
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I was afraid you likely did that.

Then again, when my friend and I were planting carrot seeds in April, we were planting rows that were about ten metres long, so if anyone suggested we do them one by one we would have rejected the idea as inherently mad.
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Old 1st June 2012, 08:50 PM   #46500  /  #75
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[quote a lot=borealis;46496]I was afraid you likely did that.

Then again, when my friend and I were planting carrot seeds in April, we were planting rows that were about ten metres long, so if anyone suggested we do them one by one we would have rejected the idea as inherently mad. [/quote]
that's a lot of carrots. do you freeze some of them?
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