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Old 18th October 2015, 02:46 AM   #297850  /  #51
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every vote for Nader got Bush junior one vote ahead of Gore.
every vote for Perot got Clinton one vote ahead of Bush
So that makes two real world illustrations why the first past the post voting system needs to be replaced by preferential voting. Thanks for supporting my argument.
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Old 18th October 2015, 02:56 AM   #297853  /  #52
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They fixed it, now it is all but impossible for there to be an option outside of two choices.

.. and the stupid people wanted it because Perot and Nader were too stressful ..
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Old 18th October 2015, 02:59 AM   #297855  /  #53
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We have preferential voting.

You do realize that the popular vote is 100% completely meaningless in our Presidential elections?

That is the design from the first.
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:18 AM   #297857  /  #54
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Oh yeah and for a while I'd forgotten why we didn't already have an American one of these threads.
https://www.rt.com/news/230927-us-wa...stralia-china

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Old 18th October 2015, 03:20 AM   #297858  /  #55
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Here Gonzo. And any one else that thinks third party voting in first past the post does anything at all. It's maths.

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Old 18th October 2015, 03:24 AM   #297859  /  #56
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http://www.endgerrymandering.com

The place to start.
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:35 AM   #297861  /  #57
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Oh yeah and for a while I'd forgotten why we didn't already have an American one of these threads.
https://www.rt.com/news/230927-us-wa...stralia-china

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Are they charging us a carbon tax for protecting them?

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Old 18th October 2015, 03:36 AM   #297862  /  #58
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http://www.endgerrymandering.com

The place to start.
Why are you trying to disadvantage minorities?
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:36 AM   #297863  /  #59
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I don't think we are protecting them. We are pissing on Australia because China has outpissed us elsewhere, like South America.
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:48 AM   #297864  /  #60
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lol, China is not an aggressor nation, never has been. Did you see what we did to Japan in the last great war, that was in protection of China. Australia on the other hand is a dependent nation.
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:52 AM   #297865  /  #61
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I am amused that the Australians for some reason think the Japs wouldn't kill and torture, bayoneting babies, just like they did in China.

Your men were in Europe protecting the King on the island. You could not protect yourself from the Japanese.
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Old 18th October 2015, 03:53 AM   #297866  /  #62
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I don't think we are protecting them. We are pissing on Australia because China has outpissed us elsewhere, like South America.
Chinese companies had been running our deep water west coast ports since Clinton.

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Old 18th October 2015, 05:15 AM   #297879  /  #63
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Fuck the ALP and their currying favour from the racists and bigots.
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Old 18th October 2015, 08:02 AM   #297901  /  #64
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I don't think we are protecting them. We are pissing on Australia because China has outpissed us elsewhere, like South America.
Chinese companies had been running our deep water west coast ports since Clinton.

yep.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R40361.pdf
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Old 19th October 2015, 09:09 AM   #298205  /  #65
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Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery”

When the oldest living president says so, and perhaps the most respectable living president at that, you would think we'd listen.
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Old 19th October 2015, 09:28 AM   #298209  /  #66
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hi Captain Obvious !

We didn't list to Dwight either when he explained how we were going to get that way.
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Old 19th October 2015, 09:49 AM   #298213  /  #67
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to some it isn't obvious...

and regardless of whether it is obvious does not mean it should not be said.
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Old 19th October 2015, 10:04 AM   #298214  /  #68
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Old 19th October 2015, 10:32 AM   #298216  /  #69
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Old 19th October 2015, 01:00 PM   #298243  /  #70
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So you guys are conspiracy theorists!!
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Old 19th October 2015, 01:05 PM   #298244  /  #71
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But you think some how the religion of 'science', which is funded by government/corporation is exempt from this conspiracy.

Hell, you people believe giving more of your labor to government/corporation will save you from a heating earth Armageddon!!

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Old 19th October 2015, 01:22 PM   #298250  /  #72
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There's a difference between a conspiracy and a broken system Jerome
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It's like if a game is unbalanced and you accuse the mod of setting it up for their fri- oh wait
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Old 17th November 2015, 09:27 PM   #303122  /  #74
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I had a dream, we elected Trump, which caused everyone to agree that American Democracy was hopelessly screwed, and we decided to scrap the whole thing and start over.

I am now voting Trump, yeah for a goof : )
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Old 18th November 2015, 01:51 AM   #303153  /  #75
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Looking at the current US presidential race it's becoming increasingly obvious to me that despite my bellyaching and despair concerning the political and social climate in Australia, I really am quite lucky.

FFS, look at the Republican candidates. The at this stage runaway leader promises to expel 10 or 15 million people from the land of the free. Just like that. Has he ever spent as much as a minute trying to assess what this policy would require logistically, or what the consequences will be? Then there's his proposed tax reform. I bet he has not even done a back of the envelope calculation on how to spread each dollar of his tax increases out to cover 50 dollars of his tax cuts, but then Trump has always been more of a fan of so called reality shows than actual reality.

If the currently leading candidate isn't bad enough, the minor players are even worse. Anybody fancy a president who seriously believes in young earth creationism? What about a dominionist? Or perhaps one who does not care if a video "recreation" of organ harvesting of foetuses has no basis whatsoever in reality?

On the Democratic side. Clinton would have made a very suitable Republican candidate during the 60s or 70s, or fit in perfectly as the right wing conservative Prime Minister of Australia. Sanders, in the unlikely scenario of winning the nomination would loose to J. Bush.

No, I don't think voting for the Democrats is a wasted vote. There is enough difference between the conservative liberals in the pay of big business and the absolutely batshit crazy lunatics the Republicans are fielding to make it worth while. And, as has been pointed out already, every vote for Nader got Bush junior one vote ahead of Gore. I know which result would have been preferable, but that is unfortunately how the first past the post voting system pans out. Preferential voting is another aspect where Australia is way ahead of the USA.
It is interesting how our politics are propagandized down there.
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