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Old 29th July 2020, 06:39 AM   #461112  /  #14326
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I dont take charge... I try to understand.

Things are going okay? Are they though? I'm worried about how things will continue to go, for my kid's sake.
Things are great. Getting better. This recent fiasco might kill us all, but in case it doesn't, it's best to plan for a vibrant future.
Says who? You? Why? Things are going shit.
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Old 29th July 2020, 07:01 AM   #461113  /  #14327
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Hey Mantis.
I've seen like this playing Mafia.
You are so tired, so stressed from fatique that you can'T let go.

Let it go let it go let it go......

Cunts not worth the agro and your real problem is needing sleep.
Can'T the great bald one let you get one nights sleep?
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Old 29th July 2020, 07:04 AM   #461114  /  #14328
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What I meant by 'win conditions', was when the work would be done.

I can assure you, even if those things were 'won', feminism would go ahead full steam. There is no 'win'. No way to satisfy the vague, endlessly shifting demands.
I think it comes down to a lack of understanding on your part. When you say things like, endless shiftless demands, it makes it seem like you have a big question mark over our heads, and just simply don't understand, from a female's perspective, what is being asked. The term, endless and shiftless makes it sound like irrational demands. All that is being asked is for equality. That's it.. pretty simple.

But when you say things like this, it makes it apparent that you are not in touch with a female perspective, and .. I'm not really sure why. You have daughters and a wife, right? Can you not think of what is best for them, and then, apply it to the rest of the female community? I'm sure your daughters or wife are not asking for "endless and shiftless demands".

Feminists are not asking for anything out of the ordinary.

I think you put up a defense to the word, feminism, like it somehow challenges your masculinity.. or somehow puts men into a lesser position.

It doesn't do that. You need to step back and reevaluate that term
and chill. If you've got daughters and a wife, you should want them to stand up for themselves (appropriately).
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Old 29th July 2020, 07:11 AM   #461116  /  #14329
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Hey Mantis.
I've seen like this playing Mafia.
You are so tired, so stressed from fatique that you can'T let go.

Let it go let it go let it go......

Cunts not worth the agro and your real problem is needing sleep.
Can'T the great bald one let you get one nights sleep?
Well.. I was thinking that I would consciously engage with him. If he really wants to go at it.. I have no problems doing so.

Haha.. the bald one. He's up too. We are both legit exhausted because the babies take so much work. And they're not easy.

But, we need our time to just relax.. I suppose this is not so relaxing for me. But there's no way I'm going to sit down and read a book or anything. I'm too wired for that.

Sometimes free time trumps sleep. The past 2 nights, I was laying around in bed with the baby by 10pm. I can't do that every night. I need to be freee
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Old 29th July 2020, 03:35 PM   #461130  /  #14330
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They have the right to try anything. They don't have the 'right' to equal outcomes.
"They?" Look at the way you speak about females. Like they are others. Maybe you don't do it intentionally, but ahh.. kinda says something.

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Females make different choices than males, and it shows in many of their privileges.
What privileges?
More years of life.

There are many, since everyone has privilege, and struggle, but that one is a pretty solid one.
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From their longer life expectancy, to their lack of representation in many fields. It's their choices, and often (in my opinion) their*better*choices
I don't understand this.
In societies where sex equality is the most progressive, women choose pink collar jobs more often.

Most of those jobs pay less. They aren't stupid - they know it going in. It's a choice they make willingly. It's a choice YOU made willingly.

Your earning potential (lifetime) is diminished by the time you took raising the kids instead of working 90 hour weeks at your out-side the home career.

I think it's a good choice, which will pay you well, though not in dollars.
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Old 29th July 2020, 06:07 PM   #461138  /  #14331
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Old 29th July 2020, 06:11 PM   #461140  /  #14332
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Old 29th July 2020, 07:27 PM   #461142  /  #14333
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What I meant by 'win conditions', was when the work would be done.

I can assure you, even if those things were 'won', feminism would go ahead full steam. There is no 'win'. No way to satisfy the vague, endlessly shifting demands.
I think it comes down to a lack of understanding on your part.
If you think I don't understand feminism, maybe you can explain it clearly, starting with this question...

How will we know when feminism has accomplished its goals, and can disband in favour of solving the next problem?
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When you say things like, endless shiftless demands, it makes it seem like you have a big question mark over our heads, and just simply don't understand, from a female's perspective, what is being asked.
I understand that there isn't something specific being asked.

It's more of a general endless series of advocacy efforts with the goal of improving things for some women.

For instance, what can you tell me about female-perpetrators of domestic violence?

Have you listened to Erin Pizzy (Pizzey?) about her experiences? She started the first domestic violence shelter, and has pretty deep and important knowledge to share...

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The term, endless and shiftless makes it sound like irrational demands. All that is being asked is for equality. That's it.. pretty simple.
Equality of opportunity, or equality of outcome?

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But when you say things like this, it makes it apparent that you are not in touch with a female perspective, and .. I'm not really sure why. You have daughters and a wife, right? Can you not think of what is best for them, and then, apply it to the rest of the female community? I'm sure your daughters or wife are not asking for "endless and shiftless demands".
Nope. They aren't feminists though (or not anymore) so they aren't pushing that particular political ideology.

You DO realize that it is a political ideology, don't you?
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Feminists are not asking for anything out of the ordinary.
Yes, they are. For instance, the hashtag me too movement wanted to brush aside rule of law, and due process, in favour of 'believe all women'.

Not everyone, of course, and the 'movement' died when Biden got accused...

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I think you put up a defense to the word, feminism, like it somehow challenges your masculinity.. or somehow puts men into a lesser position.
Nope, it's just a shitty political ideology, which tries to semantically load it's movement so that any opposition to their hogwash can gain one an accusation of being 'anti-woman'.

Who do you think are the best critics of the feminism political ideology?

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It doesn't do that. You need to step back and reevaluate that term
and chill. If you've got daughters and a wife, you should want them to stand up for themselves (appropriately).
They DO stand up for themselves, and for others.

Have you ever met a woman who was a non-feminist?

About 20% of respondents generally identify as feminists. Why do you think so few of the other 80% are sharing their opposition publicly?

Why are you so unfamiliar with the criticisms of feminism?
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Old 29th July 2020, 10:06 PM   #461146  /  #14334
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Liberal wacks: "We won! the Feds agreed to leave Portland tomorrow."
Conservatives: wink, wink

*All numbly look around at the human carnage and drug paraphenalia infested public areas adjacent the courthouse.
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Old 30th July 2020, 02:36 AM   #461151  /  #14335
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I'm listening to Bret Weinstein's 'Dark Horse Podcast', where he and his wife discuss events around Portland, which is their home.

They have unusual experience with this kind of protest and civic action.
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Old 30th July 2020, 09:47 AM   #461154  /  #14336
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Conservatives, usually: "Don't elect a Dem -- that'll lead to tyranny!" (no evidence offered, of course)

Conservatives, when a Repub president displays actual naked tyranny: "Yay! Law and order!"
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Old 30th July 2020, 09:52 AM   #461155  /  #14337
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Old 30th July 2020, 10:30 AM   #461156  /  #14338
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Repubs proved in 2016 that picking a loathsome creep, who is also a moron, is a winning formula.

Dems are merely following suit.
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Old 30th July 2020, 02:51 PM   #461157  /  #14339
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:08 PM   #461158  /  #14340
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:27 PM   #461160  /  #14341
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LOL tyranny - that's rich!

In unrelated news, I was listening to some Portlandians (Portlandites?) discussing the long-running attacks on the federal courthouse, and their ideas as to why the groups were specifically attacking a federal building, which had nothing in it that they could possibly want.

It was probably right. At least it made more sense than any of the other stories. The most especially stupid ones were that the feds were grabbing people off the street, with unidentified cars and secret police.

Talk about conspiracy theories lmao
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:33 PM   #461161  /  #14342
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Old 30th July 2020, 03:41 PM   #461164  /  #14345
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Old 30th July 2020, 04:18 PM   #461165  /  #14346
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LOL tyranny - that's rich!
You would recognize it as such, and you would even go on about it at length, if left and right were reversed.
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LOL tyranny - that's rich!
You would recognize it as such, and you would even go on about it at length, if left and right were reversed.
What is the 'tyranny'?

Is it not being allowed to continually attack federal buildings?

Maybe we mean different things by 'tyranny'...
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Old 30th July 2020, 08:14 PM   #461167  /  #14348
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Repubs proved in 2016 that picking a loathsome creep, who is also a moron, is a winning formula.

Dems are merely following suit.
But Biden is lacking the raging Narcissism that appeals to Trump's base.
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Old 30th July 2020, 10:58 PM   #461168  /  #14349
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LOL tyranny - that's rich!
You would recognize it as such, and you would even go on about it at length, if left and right were reversed.
What is the 'tyranny'?

Is it not being allowed to continually attack federal buildings?

Maybe we mean different things by 'tyranny'...
Perhaps. The sorts of things I had in mind (before any "attacks" on federal buildings happened) included (1) the toddler-in-chief unilaterally deciding that protests were no longer allowed in Portland, (2) thugs in federal police uniforms beating the shit out of peaceful protesters, (3) thugs in federal police uniforms beating the shit out of people who merely asked why they were beating the shit out of peaceful protesters, (4) thugs in federal police uniforms beating the shit out of medics who were merely trying to treat the peaceful protesters who had had the shit beaten out of them.

All that is perfectly ok, because "law and order", right?
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Old 30th July 2020, 11:15 PM   #461169  /  #14350
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What I meant by 'win conditions', was when the work would be done.

I can assure you, even if those things were 'won', feminism would go ahead full steam. There is no 'win'. No way to satisfy the vague, endlessly shifting demands.
I think it comes down to a lack of understanding on your part.
If you think I don't understand feminism, maybe you can explain it clearly, starting with this question...

How will we know when feminism has accomplished its goals, and can disband in favour of solving the next problem?
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When you say things like, endless shiftless demands, it makes it seem like you have a big question mark over our heads, and just simply don't understand, from a female's perspective, what is being asked.
I understand that there isn't something specific being asked.

It's more of a general endless series of advocacy efforts with the goal of improving things for some women.

For instance, what can you tell me about female-perpetrators of domestic violence?

Have you listened to Erin Pizzy (Pizzey?) about her experiences? She started the first domestic violence shelter, and has pretty deep and important knowledge to share...

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The term, endless and shiftless makes it sound like irrational demands. All that is being asked is for equality. That's it.. pretty simple.
Equality of opportunity, or equality of outcome?

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But when you say things like this, it makes it apparent that you are not in touch with a female perspective, and .. I'm not really sure why. You have daughters and a wife, right? Can you not think of what is best for them, and then, apply it to the rest of the female community? I'm sure your daughters or wife are not asking for "endless and shiftless demands".
Nope. They aren't feminists though (or not anymore) so they aren't pushing that particular political ideology.

You DO realize that it is a political ideology, don't you?
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Feminists are not asking for anything out of the ordinary.
Yes, they are. For instance, the hashtag me too movement wanted to brush aside rule of law, and due process, in favour of 'believe all women'.

Not everyone, of course, and the 'movement' died when Biden got accused...

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I think you put up a defense to the word, feminism, like it somehow challenges your masculinity.. or somehow puts men into a lesser position.
Nope, it's just a shitty political ideology, which tries to semantically load it's movement so that any opposition to their hogwash can gain one an accusation of being 'anti-woman'.

Who do you think are the best critics of the feminism political ideology?

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It doesn't do that. You need to step back and reevaluate that term
and chill. If you've got daughters and a wife, you should want them to stand up for themselves (appropriately).
They DO stand up for themselves, and for others.

Have you ever met a woman who was a non-feminist?

About 20% of respondents generally identify as feminists. Why do you think so few of the other 80% are sharing their opposition publicly?

Why are you so unfamiliar with the criticisms of feminism?

Because I don't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I wouldn't call myself a feminist at all.. but think it should be equal for men and women. If I was totally secluded from our culture, and was introduced to the concept of feminism, I would find it strange that it even existed, because culture should have no bias in the first place.

The fact that there was bias, makes it so that I can see why it still exists as something to still maintain to an extent.. maybe something that should be in the back of your mind. Not something that really still needs to be pushed and advocated for, to this day. But I guess theres a lingering effect.

I don't know how I felt about the #metoo movement. I wasn't the biggest fan of it.. and I was never really sure why. Maybe because it's like you mentioned, that not everyone is to be necessarily believed. Like.. if you get hit on at a party, where drinks are going around. I don't think it's sexual assault. Just a bunch of rowdy people, where barriers become a little vague, from both sides. In that situation, stuff can happen. And if you're truly uncomfortable about what could happen.. then it's best to avoid that setting.

I guess you seem really against it, and you talk about it a lot.. well, from what I've seen. Whereas, I think it makes sense to still keep it in mind, like the back of your mind (for females), since there still does seem to be some issues. So to answer, it probably won't be fully disbanded for awhile. It's kind of like a safety mechanism I think. Maybe there is fear that if it's not maintained, to an extent, things will devolve back into male dominated culture.
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