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Old 11th March 2017, 09:20 PM   #387333  /  #1
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Are all 'undocumented workers' criminals?

I want to know what our membership thinks of this question.

Just to get us started, I think they are.
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Old 11th March 2017, 09:34 PM   #387334  /  #2
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:06 PM   #387338  /  #3
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Are all marijuana smokers criminals?
I noticed that you didn't vote, so the above looks like just snark, but I'll answer anyway.

No, they are not.

You should know better.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:13 PM   #387340  /  #4
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1. You're nitpicking.
2. The poll lacks any nuance and is entirely black and white.
3. Are employers of undocumented workers criminals?
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:19 PM   #387341  /  #5
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1. You're nitpicking.
2. The poll lacks any nuance and is entirely black and white.
3. Are employers of undocumented workers criminals?
It is an important 'nit', since people seem to not understand, or refuse to accept.

It is a black and white issue, really.

And yes, I would say that those employers are MUCH worse criminals, or at least should be.

Still declining to answer, eh? That's a very clear answer, borealis. Thanks for that.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:20 PM   #387342  /  #6
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Are all marijuana smokers criminals?
It would depend where they are when they are smoking.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:21 PM   #387343  /  #7
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In Australia , an employer of an illegal worker is committing a crime if they did not take reasonable steps to ensure the legality of the worker.

There is no crime related to working without documentation that I can find although in certain cases crimes may arise out of the type of employment or the specific circumstances. For example a recent high profile case of identity theft...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....08-gutgw8.html
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:21 PM   #387344  /  #8
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:23 PM   #387345  /  #9
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:28 PM   #387346  /  #10
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There is no crime related to working without documentation that I can find although in certain cases crimes may arise out of the type of employment or the specific circumstances.
I would think not paying payroll taxes is a crime, or if they are paying, then they must be using a fraudulent identity, which is a crime.
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3. Are employers of undocumented workers criminals?
Of course.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:44 PM   #387353  /  #12
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Blair decriminalized it here, then the bloody conservatives made it criminal again.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:52 PM   #387360  /  #13
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There is no crime related to working without documentation that I can find although in certain cases crimes may arise out of the type of employment or the specific circumstances.
I would think not paying payroll taxes is a crime, or if they are paying, then they must be using a fraudulent identity, which is a crime.
Payroll tax is paid by the employer.

Income tax is deducted from wages when the worker provides a tax file number. If the worker doesn't provide the tfn then tax will be deducted at the highest rate and they won't be able to receive government benefits.

Therefore a an illegal fruit picker can work without providing a tfn and this type of employment has been common in the past.
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Old 11th March 2017, 10:53 PM   #387361  /  #14
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Old 12th March 2017, 12:16 AM   #387375  /  #15
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Income tax is deducted from wages when the worker provides a tax file number. If the worker doesn't provide the tfn then tax will be deducted at the highest rate and they won't be able to receive government benefits.
Looks like the government overtaxes the labor of undocumented workers.

Thus a boon for the state on the backs of third class citizens.

No wonder liberals like undocumented workers, they can take more from those with the least.
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Blair decriminalized it here, then the bloody conservatives made it criminal again.
Could you grow it?

I am sure import stayed illegal.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Like here in The People's Republic of Maryland, its legal, sort of, you get a ticket or some nonsense, but paraphernalia is still illegal, plus all the other laws encompassing the war on drugs.

Its a set-up.
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Blair decriminalized it here, then the bloody conservatives made it criminal again.
Could you grow it?

I am sure import stayed illegal.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Like here in The People's Republic of Maryland, its legal, sort of, you get a ticket or some nonsense, but paraphernalia is still illegal, plus all the other laws encompassing the war on drugs.

Its a set-up.
supplying it in any way was still a crime but minding your own business and having a smoke was briefly no longer a crime in this free nation

growing a few for yourself would probably come down to the discretion* of the local police.

* to paraphrase Testy, the fulcrum of policework is deciding if an individual is a deserving human or a scumbag
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apparently the sale of seeds for export is not illegal in the UK; I am unable to explain how I know this http://www.alibongo.co.uk/category/seeds
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Old 12th March 2017, 12:44 AM   #387384  /  #20
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Like here in The People's Republic of Maryland, its legal, sort of, you get a ticket or some nonsense, but paraphernalia is still illegal, plus all the other laws encompassing the war on drugs.

Its a set-up.
Or maybe you should just start rolling joints, since tobacco papers and lighters aren't illegal

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Old 12th March 2017, 03:29 AM   #387397  /  #22
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undocumented workers, as in cheap workforce, is a symptom of inequality and not a cause. i think anyone should be able to uproot and make the life he or she wants.

so no.
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You're treating it as a matter of opinion . As a matter of law the answer is also no.
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Old 12th March 2017, 03:40 AM   #387401  /  #25
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Well no it's not.

Are all undocumented workers criminals? No because the law says so.

Should the law be changed?
That's a matter of opinion.

My opinion is no, it should not.
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