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Old 13th February 2016, 04:39 PM   #312790  /  #276
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Gerrymandering is done by the elected Governor of the State every ten years, with the oversight of the Feds, following the mandate to increase the proportional value of the minority vote.

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.
Okay, now I know you are clueless. Every state does it differently. Although it is done after the most recent full census, when the allocation of representatives is calculated.

And it is not done to increase the power of the minority vote, although it can be challenged on that basis.

You need to educate yourself on the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Gerrymandering is required by Federal law to the express purpose of increasing the weight of the minority vote.

All States are required to follow Federal law.
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Old 13th February 2016, 04:45 PM   #312792  /  #277
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Oh NOOOOOOO! You know what you'd get if you make every vote equal in value, don't you? You'd get democracy!
Gerrymandering relates to a Congressional district within a State choosing its congressional representative.

The amount of total representatives is directly proportional to total State population.

The districts within the States themselves are equal in population.

Federal law requires drawing districts which place minority voters in the same district, so that minorities don't have their votes diluted within majority districts.

Thus it is even, it just puts minorities in the same district.
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Old 13th February 2016, 04:52 PM   #312796  /  #278
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Gerrymandering is done by the elected Governor of the State every ten years, with the oversight of the Feds, following the mandate to increase the proportional value of the minority vote.

Removing gerrymandering will drastically reduce the power of the minority vote.
Okay, now I know you are clueless. Every state does it differently. Although it is done after the most recent full census, when the allocation of representatives is calculated.

And it is not done to increase the power of the minority vote, although it can be challenged on that basis.

You need to educate yourself on the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Gerrymandering is required by Federal law to the express purpose of increasing the weight of the minority vote.

All States are required to follow Federal law.
Weird it's almost like legislators that are ok with breaking the law will do so because there are no valid checks to ensure that gerrymandering is not actually being used inversely.
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Old 13th February 2016, 04:52 PM   #312797  /  #279
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Like holy fuck Jerome how do you live in such a Bizarro world
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Old 13th February 2016, 04:58 PM   #312799  /  #280
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Zeluvia, you seem to be making assumptions about voters based upon party registration.

For example, in California, 74% of the Congressional representatives are Democrats, yet Democrat voters only make up 43% of the population.

Are you advocating that the Democrats lose 17 congressional Democrats to the another party?
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Old 13th February 2016, 05:54 PM   #312806  /  #281
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Districts should be allocated completely impartially, based on math. Anything else is subject to manipulation. I am not sure what side you are on, and I don't care. Either party has and does used gerrymandering to their advantage, meaning it is easier to keep power once you have it. This is fundamentally against the spirit of "throw the bastards out" that this country is founded on.
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Old 13th February 2016, 11:50 PM   #312829  /  #282
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One of the Supreme Court justices just died.

The Senate - who approves President-chosen court nominations - is controlled by the Republicans. They're going to lock up any nominee choice through the end of the year.

This is about to get to be a very interesting year in American politics.
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Old 14th February 2016, 12:07 AM   #312835  /  #283
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Old 14th February 2016, 12:13 AM   #312837  /  #284
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Oh NOOOOOOO! You know what you'd get if you make every vote equal in value, don't you? You'd get democracy!
Gerrymandering relates to a Congressional district within a State choosing its congressional representative.
Which is why the 2012 elections resulted in the Democrats getting 48.8% of the votes, but only 46.2% of the seats in the House of Representatives, while the Republicans managed to attract only 47.6% of the votes but 53.8% of the seats. A bit skewed, don't you think? And that is gerrymandering.
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Old 14th February 2016, 12:22 AM   #312838  /  #285
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http://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/...lia-dead-at-79

This is very significant. Scalia was probably the most extreme of the conservative judges on SCOTUS. But there may not be enough time left in Obama's Presidency to appoint a more liberal replacement, because the Republican-controlled Senate will move Heaven and Earth to block him.
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Old 14th February 2016, 12:41 AM   #312839  /  #286
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The decisive objection to the quest for original meaning, even when the quest is conducted in good faith, is that judicial historiography rarely dispels ambiguity. Judges are not competent historians. Even real historiography is frequently indeterminate, as real historians acknowledge. To put to a judge a question that he cannot answer is to evoke “motivated thinking,” the form of cognitive delusion that consists of credulously accepting the evidence that supports a preconception and of peremptorily rejecting the evidence that contradicts it.

Scalia is a pertinacious critic of the use of legislative history to illuminate statutory meaning; and one reason for his criticism is that a legislature is a hydra-headed body whose members may not share a common view of the interpretive issues likely to be engendered by a statute that they are considering enacting. But when he looks for the original meaning of eighteenth-century constitutional provisions—as he did in his opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, holding that an ordinance forbidding people to own handguns even for the defense of their homes violated the Second Amendment—Scalia is doing legislative history.
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Old 14th February 2016, 12:46 AM   #312841  /  #287
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Old 14th February 2016, 01:10 AM   #312844  /  #288
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On this Saturday evening with a looming Republican debate, we offer some moderate suggestions for having fun whilst drinking responsibly!


The 2016 Republican Candidacy Drinking Game
Sip every time Donald Trump says "China"
Sip every time Marco Rubio says "Obama"
Sip every time Ted Cruz says "Hillary"
Sip every time Ben Carson mentions that he has never worked in government
Sip every time Jeb Bush has a pained facial expression
Sip every time John Kasich gets screen time
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Old 14th February 2016, 01:36 AM   #312855  /  #289
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Odds Obama takes the spotlight these next 6 months to pick a Supreme Court Justice.
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Doubt it. Most of the spotlight will be on the Senate fighting his nomination tooth-and-nail.

He picks an electable moderate no one would have a problem with to highlight that the Republicans are more interested in partisan politics than the health of the country, in order to help sway undecideds to Dems in the general election.
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Old 14th February 2016, 01:49 AM   #312857  /  #291
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A bit skewed, don't you think? And that is gerrymandering.
This is you making all sorts of assumptions. For example, in my state of Maryland, lots of republicans register as dems so they can vote in the primaries for senator.

There is no way in a majority state, such as is MD, that the two Senate seats will ever not be that party. So if you want a voice in the senate election, you must be registered democrat.

We have our representation mixed with different formulas so that 'the people' are not screwed by a scam. This is a big reason why the USA is better for the people.


The People have two houses in national government.

Each state gets:

House of Representatives = population proportional out of 435

Senate = each state gets 2 of 100

These houses are equal, but all spending must start in the House.

Both houses have to pass a law before a president can sign it.


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He picks an electable moderate no one would have a problem with
1. He will pick another communist

2. He loves it being about him

3. This is his last chance
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Old 14th February 2016, 01:53 AM   #312859  /  #293
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Martin O'Malley did that, you might know him from running for President right now.
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Old 14th February 2016, 01:55 AM   #312860  /  #294
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this article sums up what's at stake http://www.vox.com/2016/2/13/1098721...on/in/10751011
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But the stakes of this election for the court are clear, and enormous. A Supreme Court with six solid liberals — Democrats' best-case scenario — could overturn Citizens United, overrule Heller (which established for the first time that the Second Amendment gives individuals a right to bear arms), and enable school desegregation plans the Roberts Court struck down. It could conceivably, depending on its exact composition, abolish the death penalty for good, maybe even solitary confinement too.

And a Supreme Court with seven solid conservatives — Republicans' best-case scenario — could overturn Roe v. Wade, strike down even more campaign finance regulation, and narrow or abolish Miranda rights (as Scalia and Thomas once tried to do). If justices with a libertarian bent get appointed, you could even see a partial return of the Lochner era, with minimum wage statutes and worker protections getting struck down as violating "liberty of contract." That Supreme Court would almost certainly have invalidated Obamacare.
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Old 14th February 2016, 02:11 AM   #312862  /  #296
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"District of Columbia v. Heller, holding that an ordinance forbidding people to own handguns even for the defense of their homes violated the Second Amendment"

This is not writing law, its invalidating a law in the district which is in violation of the law.
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It's okay Jerome. I know you are flopping around like a failfish flounder because your Troll Support Site apparently doesn't cover Gerrymandering as well as it does Flat Earth.
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Old 14th February 2016, 02:20 AM   #312864  /  #298
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Zeluvia, any more about how you want to use the district system to disadvantage minorities.

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A bit skewed, don't you think? And that is gerrymandering.
This is you making all sorts of assumptions.
Not at all. I look at two pairs of figures and find that the Republican Party has an absolute majority of seats in the House of Representatives, thus controlling it, even though it attracted 1,417,278 fewer votes than the Democrats. It's an assumption-free observation. As for the rest of your post, all I can do is to advise you to stay out of the saloon. You'll make a hopeless card sharp.
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Old 14th February 2016, 03:15 AM   #312867  /  #300
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Hermit, how do you protect the minority rights of the rural dwellers in your preferred system?
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