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Old 15th November 2016, 09:32 PM   #363216  /  #2876
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Lol I don't doubt it and no bets from me against that.

May have a small punt that by then the US will be the Liberal equivalent of North Korea though.
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Old 15th November 2016, 10:14 PM   #363218  /  #2877
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Ya that's one way of looking a it. The other is that the closer you are in time to an event the more accurate and unbiased your reporting is likely to be. Plus no one has had any time to rewrite history and apply spin.

See, articles written before the Milne one point to Vlad being an opportunist who saw the instability in the Ukraine as a chance to grab big chunks of it. Nothing defensive about his actions at all.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...t-may-well-get

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and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.
This was written before Ukraine military forces started capturing and arresting them. Just saying.
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Old 15th November 2016, 10:15 PM   #363219  /  #2878
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Old 15th November 2016, 11:03 PM   #363220  /  #2879
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NY State Governor declared the State of NY to be a safe zone.

I like this Especially since I am moving there in a few months.
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Old 16th November 2016, 12:28 AM   #363227  /  #2880
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Just mind you don't say anything which might inadvertently trigger a caring and tolerant Liberal or they'll rip you limb from limb.
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Old 16th November 2016, 01:16 AM   #363230  /  #2881
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Ya that's one way of looking a it. The other is that the closer you are in time to an event the more accurate and unbiased your reporting is likely to be. Plus no one has had any time to rewrite history and apply spin.

See, articles written before the Milne one point to Vlad being an opportunist who saw the instability in the Ukraine as a chance to grab big chunks of it. Nothing defensive about his actions at all.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...t-may-well-get

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and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.
This was written before Ukraine military forces started capturing and arresting them. Just saying.
I dunno what Vlad's thinking. He's from the mysterious east and you just cannot scrute 'em. It wouldn't come as a shock to me to learn that he does have ambitions to reassemble the old Soviet bloc.

However, what is absolutely guaranteed is that if the west go meddling there trying to annex former Soviet bloc states into the EU he most certainly will react by annexing them himself.

For me the takeaway message is that if you go poking the bear with a giant stick then don't be surprised when nothing good comes of it.

It comes down only to a gut feeling that we are the worse aggressors in this case. Perhaps I'e been swayed by Vlad's smooth rhetoric here in this press conference





My gut tells me he means every word of what he says and it isn't some cynical ploy.

On the other hand Obama is to me completely batshit insane. Like now for example. Where the fuck is Baz? The Country is in the throws of mass organised anti-democratic riots where 'protesters' are being bussed into the cities, funded by seditious organisations and not a single word from the POTUS. Literally, not a single appeal for calm or anything.

Where is Baz? He's working on his 'legacy' and making his final raids on the tax payers piggy bank to channel hundreds of millions in funds to India for fucking solar panels. India. The same India which is a nuclear power, building aircraft carries and with its own space program. The President of the United States thinks it's more important to promote solar panels in India than to stabilise an attempted coup d'etat at home. The man is clearly mentally ill and needs to be in a secure unit.
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Old 16th November 2016, 03:22 AM   #363239  /  #2882
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NY State Governor declared the State of NY to be a safe zone.
Then they lose federal funding.

They are allowed to, but they can not force others to pay for it.

Freedom.
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Old 16th November 2016, 03:30 AM   #363241  /  #2883
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He's working on his 'legacy' and making his final raids on the tax payers piggy bank to channel hundreds of millions in funds to India for fucking solar panels. India. The same India which is a nuclear power, building aircraft carries and with its own space program.
The scam is so open and obvious, they don't want to believe, no matter the evidence.
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Old 16th November 2016, 03:39 AM   #363244  /  #2884
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Old 16th November 2016, 03:47 AM   #363246  /  #2885
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Also, before went on his tax payer funded treason tour, he trolled the fuck out of Trump in the press conference.
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Old 16th November 2016, 07:10 AM   #363250  /  #2886
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Old 16th November 2016, 01:49 PM   #363263  /  #2887
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Oh. I thought there were a bunch of interviews with folks on the street during all that.

At the time, I had the impression there was some brexit regret from people who voted for it going on.
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Looking across the board at all this polling, there is a suggestion that public opinion may have moved very slightly towards Remain, and with only a four point lead thatís enough to change the lead in some polls. However, in most cases that apparent movement isnít people changing their minds, but is down to the opinions of those people who didnít actually vote last time. That means if there was another referendum right now, if turnout was similar to June the result would probably be similar too.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9776

(not that polls mean shit these days)
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Old 16th November 2016, 02:08 PM   #363264  /  #2888
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Just mind you don't say anything which might inadvertently trigger a caring and tolerant Liberal or they'll rip you limb from limb.
Yeah yeah I get it, don't be dissing the boat.

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It comes down only to a gut feeling that we are the worse aggressors in this case. Perhaps I'e been swayed by Vlad's smooth rhetoric here in this press conference
I just don't see evidence that fits. I haven't found anything to disprove the notion that countries have to apply to the EU for membership, rather then the EU approaching them. I do see evidence that there was large public support for Ukraine to join the EU, madness I know but some people see EU membership as bringing about economic stability and eventual prosperity.


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My gut tells me he means every word of what he says and it isn't some cynical ploy.
He is mesmerising. However the thing with Vlad is that when he speaks to the world he's not actually speaking to the world, he's speaking to the people back home. He's convincing his own public that they're under attack from US aggression, that they're not safe and he Vlad the Putinaler will do all he can to protect them. Also he's allegedly an Abba fan.
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Old 16th November 2016, 02:25 PM   #363267  /  #2889
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Old 16th November 2016, 07:58 PM   #363299  /  #2890
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I like them too especially Dancing Queen
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Old 16th November 2016, 10:33 PM   #363325  /  #2891
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Jerome, news flash NY like CA actually sends far more money to the feds than they get back from the feds, someone has to subsidize states like TN after all

Plus why would you want to deny federal funds to a state that says we don't care if you are LBGT, we don't care if you are non Christian, we don't care if you are disabled, we don't care if you are a person of color, we accept you and will not pass laws to discriminate against you?

Isn't that what America is supposed to be?
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Old 16th November 2016, 10:35 PM   #363326  /  #2892
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There I just fixed my location to be more accurate
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Old 16th November 2016, 11:11 PM   #363336  /  #2893
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Old 17th November 2016, 12:01 AM   #363356  /  #2894
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Actually I already changed my location on MS to theocracy of TN just forgot to change it here,
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Old 17th November 2016, 09:02 AM   #363479  /  #2895
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Old 17th November 2016, 12:08 PM   #363508  /  #2896
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Old 17th November 2016, 02:12 PM   #363514  /  #2897
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Well Jesse Ventura thinks Trump wants to destroy the Republican party.

http://time.com/4433168/jesse-ventura-donald-trump
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Jesse Ventura is out of his mind, but he's like that fun crazy uncle that truly means well but hasn't got a clu-

Holy shit Jerome is Jesse Ventura
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Old 18th November 2016, 03:58 AM   #363653  /  #2900
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