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Old 13th April 2018, 08:20 PM   #424871  /  #51
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Old 13th April 2018, 08:20 PM   #424872  /  #52
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Now according to your theory, Jocks should always make more money than Nerds.

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Thanks for trying this way.

Not at all.

It is that sport shows clearly who can display more strength or speed, and that strength and speed can show differences in overall earnings in many ways.

i'm going to go run. Wish you could come along. I'll check this later though.

Can i ask you, do you think that if one group regularly shows more aptitude toward strength, that they would earn more (as a group, I mean) in a position where strength is a major component? (such as order-picking)
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Old 13th April 2018, 08:22 PM   #424873  /  #53
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Old 13th April 2018, 08:23 PM   #424874  /  #54
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Old 13th April 2018, 09:19 PM   #424881  /  #55
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Now according to your theory, Jocks should always make more money than Nerds.

Correct?
Thanks for trying this way.

Not at all.

It is that sport shows clearly who can display more strength or speed, and that strength and speed can show differences in overall earnings in many ways.

i'm going to go run. Wish you could come along. I'll check this later though.

Can i ask you, do you think that if one group regularly shows more aptitude toward strength, that they would earn more (as a group, I mean) in a position where strength is a major component? (such as order-picking)
Actually, I have found in my life if you work a job that requires strength, you get stronger.

However, working a job that requires intellect doesn't make you smarter.

Also physical and athletic attributes decline with age. Intelligence does too, but at a slower rate.
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Old 13th April 2018, 09:21 PM   #424882  /  #56
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Anyway I clearly do not understand your theory.

Jocks display more strength and speed than nerds, so that should be displayed in overall earnings.

I don't get why that is wrong.
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Old 13th April 2018, 09:37 PM   #424883  /  #57
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Anyway I clearly do not understand your theory.

Jocks display more strength and speed than nerds, so that should be displayed in overall earnings.

I don't get why that is wrong.
strength was just an example, but in fields where strength is important, jocks do indeed out-earn nerds.

But in ALL sport, whether strength is important or not, men outperform women.

I have more question here than theory, but if you want mine, I'll try to be coherent.

sport is our best physical abilities in competition with each other. In physical abilities, it is very clear, and uncontraversial to note that men are better at every sport.

i believe that this is reflected in the labour market, where men and women compete over things like:
available overtime shifts
bonuses
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So as long as those professional competitions exist, it would stand to reason that more men would come out on top - IF those abilities exemplified in sport, matter.

So do they matter?
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Old 13th April 2018, 10:39 PM   #424902  /  #58
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Okay, lets try this. White, or Western men, have long had two ideals, Intellect and Athletics. This goes back to Ancient Greece, where Athens represented the Intellect, and Sparta the Physical or Athletic. Now even back then there was a division starting, one that has come down to us today as the stereotypes of Jocks and Nerds.

Nerd Homely, clumsy, intelligent
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Now according to your theory, Jocks should always make more money than Nerds.

Correct?
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Old 13th April 2018, 11:33 PM   #424916  /  #60
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Old 14th April 2018, 12:03 AM   #424921  /  #61
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Old 14th April 2018, 01:51 AM   #424989  /  #62
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Anyway I clearly do not understand your theory.

Jocks display more strength and speed than nerds, so that should be displayed in overall earnings.

I don't get why that is wrong.
strength was just an example, but in fields where strength is important, jocks do indeed out-earn nerds.

But in ALL sport, whether strength is important or not, men outperform women.

I have more question here than theory, but if you want mine, I'll try to be coherent.

sport is our best physical abilities in competition with each other. In physical abilities, it is very clear, and uncontraversial to note that men are better at every sport.

i believe that this is reflected in the labour market, where men and women compete over things like:
available overtime shifts
bonuses
salaries
positions

So as long as those professional competitions exist, it would stand to reason that more men would come out on top - IF those abilities exemplified in sport, matter.

So do they matter?

So you are really saying nothing about men and women, you are saying in jobs that require physical performance, good physical performers should out earn poor ones.

So young white men would earn more than old white men.

But that could be gender neutral, if you put an athletic woman up against a nerd for example.
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Old 14th April 2018, 04:00 AM   #425032  /  #63
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So you are really saying nothing about men and women, you are saying in jobs that require physical performance, good physical performers should out earn poor ones.
No, I'm saying that if you divide the wide and diverse groups of humans by 'men' and 'women', you would find that one group predictably outperformed the other.

So over time, I would expect that those competitive advantages would turn into more promotions, raises and other opportunities. To me, this suggests that expecting wage parity, or equal representation at high levels of industry, would need a bit of explaining.

I would expect more men to win more of these 'career competitions', since they so regularly do so in sport.

Not saying anyone should be offered fewer opportunities, but that I would expect a difference after a life of competing in a competitive field.

As to 'equality of opportunity', I am hugely in favour. I think we should do a lot better to include the whole gang, even if some of them take more support than seems reasonable. I would kind of like it if both income support (welfare), and apprenticeships could be free for the asking, to anyone. Public transit, too.

But i don't expect everyone to do as well in the end. I would predict, for instance, that women will simply not end up equally represented in the front lines of military simply because too many of them cannot meet the physical requirements, and those requirements are enforced by enemies.
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Old 14th April 2018, 04:31 AM   #425053  /  #65
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Okay but here, lets use logic.

Your premise is that if Group A outperforms Group B in the arena of work benefits, it is because of the competitive advantage of sports.

Now for this to be TRUE, you can't just use men and women. It has to be TRUE over any selection of corresponding human groups.

So it has to be true for Blacks vs Asians. It has to be true for Young white men vs old white men. It has to be true for Nerds vs Jocks. And it isn't. Ergo, it is not true for men for vs women.
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Not because of sports, but sports show a large group of human features, placed in competition against other humans. I guess I am suggesting that 'sport data' is statistically relevant.

if blacks outperformed Chinese in ALL sports, by a large margin, the analogy might hold, but it doesn't here because Chinese men still outperform Chinese women.

Well, I'm not sure of that, actually. I am guessing, based on the statistical data i have seen so far.

Predicting that the same way I am predicting that men and women, in competition for wages, promotions etc., will end their careers with different overall earnings.
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Old 14th April 2018, 09:19 AM   #425178  /  #67
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You keep coming back to men and women. You need to show your theory works with another set.
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You keep coming back to men and women. You need to show your theory works with another set.
What other set can you suggest where so many competitive features are in measured competition and one group shows such a consistent advantage?

And I'm not sure why I would need another set. I am merely suggesting that their lifetime earning power is related to their competitive attributes. I don't think it is much of a stretch...
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Old 14th April 2018, 07:46 PM   #425287  /  #71
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This is kinda like over-discussing preferred hair length - most men prefer short,
most women prefer long. Even in old age, old men prefer closely cropped,
old women prefer short but stylin'.

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You are partly (yet only partly) right, Cunt.
Some women are workaholics, and some men want to nanny their young.
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You are partly (yet only partly) right, Cunt.
Some women are workaholics, and some men want to nanny their young.
Which part am I 'wrong' about?

I agree that some women and some men overlap statistically.
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You keep coming back to men and women. You need to show your theory works with another set.
What other set can you suggest where so many competitive features are in measured competition and one group shows such a consistent advantage?

And I'm not sure why I would need another set. I am merely suggesting that their lifetime earning power is related to their competitive attributes. I don't think it is much of a stretch...
Because when you put out a theory like this:

Peoples lifetime earning power is related to their PHYSICAL competitive attributes.

In order to show it is true, you have to show it is true in ALL circumstances.

However, it has been shown that people's lifetime earning power is related to their PHYSICAL attractiveness, but that applies across both sexes and all groups.

Now I added the word Physical, because you are talking about Sports. You are not talking about esports, or spelling bees, or Chess, or other non physical competition correct?

Or is your theory that people who engage in ANY competitive endeavor likely to earn more?

So, do men who engage in sports earn more than men who don't?
Do women who engage in sports earn more than women who don't?

If you want to show that sports gives an advantage, and is a PRIMARY reason for that advantage, it has to over other variables.
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Seems to me that the premise is that because men are better than women at all competitive sports (bar two unnamed) men earn more at jobs that require being good at competitive sports, such as, professional athlete. (Even though earning power is actually related to entertainment value and marketability)

Because as soon as you generalise to all work you have to include teachers and film makers and factory workers and doctors and the person who makes the tea in the cafe down the road. There might be other jobs I've forgotten.

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